Rescue Me: Your Role in Misinformation & Disinformation

The second part of that is ethylene is a gas that forms when fruits start to decay in the bowl on your counter.

And ethylene, once it starts, will make all

All

the fruit

of it.

in that bowl decay.

So one bad apple does indeed spoil the

Yeah,

whole bunch,

does.

girl.

And so here we've got a little bit of misinformation.

that has spread over four decades.

Do you get what I'm trying to say?

And everybody to this day still thinks it's Aretha Franklin on Rescue Me.

And everybody that I've ever talked to always goes, oh, the Jackson 5 running towards that airplane.

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Today we decided to answer a question that we know a lot of you have been thinking about.

That question is,

what does Bob Seger,

ethylene glycol,

Plato's Allegory of the Cave,

and the Columbine High School shooting have to do with one another?

Okay, so maybe you've never asked that question,

but the short answer is either misinformation or disinformation.

On today's episode, we are talking about how humans process information,

communicate that information,

and the historical precedent that proves how bad we are at both of those things.

Although the terms misinformation and disinformation have recently grown in popularity,

they are both concepts that have been around for as long as humans have.

During the episode,

we give some examples of how the real story behind major events can get lost over time and why humans will change the meaning of something to fit their needs.

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Yeah!

Good morning, Greg.

How are we doing up there in the mountains of Gunnison,

Colorado today?

Another jump of snow overnight,

so I was feverishly plowing before our day of Zoom and team calls happening.

And the dog doesn't like to plow, Brian.

The dog doesn't like to plow.

Oh, well, we've had we've had a lot of a lot of rain again.

But but out here in Southern California,

we need it. I haven't seen this much before since I've been out here.

So that's, I guess, a good thing in the long run. The problem is it's all coming at once. But.

Today,

we are going to be talking about, you know, misinformation,

disinformation and

Yeah,

just information

yep

processing in general.

And,

you know, obviously we're taking it from our perspective, but that's kind of a lot of what we do.

I mean, technically we've been on a line item for different government projects as information scientists.

Right.

So that that's been our title in a sense.

So we know a little bit about it. But I want to clearly sort of define some of the terms up front and what what this is,

because it.

It's kind of it's nothing new.

These are terms that people are constantly throwing around now and it always makes me roll my eyes. But the misinformation,

disinformation has to do with information that isn't necessarily factually true.

But

Right.

the idea is misinformation is just kind of false or inaccurate information,

but then disinformation would be the false or accurate information that someone's kind of using for a purpose,

right?

Yep.

I mean,

there's some sort

Intentional.

of intent behind

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

it,

I

right?

It's not just I heard a rumor and now I'm sharing a rumor.

It's I'm doing this for a purpose.

It's intent.

So that's kind of the difference between misinformation and disinformation. And I always think of the D.

I'm horrible at remembering,

you know, when...

When you get two terms that are real close to each other, I'll constantly interview and you do the same

Of

thing. Right.

course, I do it because you're in the moment

and Yeah,

you're thinking

but but

three or four steps ahead like a chess

I always think

match,

of

right?

the the

But it's not intentional.

the

It's not deliberate,

the

right?

D in disinformation means deliberate to me. That's how I remember that.

That's a smart way.

Yeah.

So so if we if we screw that up going forward, just remember that,

folks.

But the idea is, is this has been around forever.

This is how humans are.

This is how humans communicate.

So if you're listening right now, think of any time you've embellished a story or passed along a story from someone that you never checked or didn't know.

And I'm not talking like sharing a link on social media, I mean literally telling and sharing your story, oh, did you hear about so-and-so? Okay.

that shit's all junk but but 90 percent of what comes out of humans mouth is junk it's talk it's an immediate response it's this and and historically this stuff's always been around you know one of my my favorite books i love talking about social media about was that guy tom standard wrote that one about uh i think it was called social media they're the writing on the wall the first 2 000 years of social media even

Yes

talks about like you know ancient romans like they'd post something on the reading wall where people have to go see what it was here's

this year's what happened but what was more popular was i want to hear greg's take on that so greg would write his letter or his response and i would read it at my party with my friends you know and we'd go back and forth because i want to hear what you have to say so so it people didn't back then didn't care what was coming out of the direct hey here's here's what happened here's the law it's written down no no i want to hear what someone's take is so non

Is that familiar?

yeah i

That is a familiar

know that's

ring to

maybe i'm

it,

brian. not so

So

Yeah.

none of this stuff is new and all

Right.

of us engage in it either intentionally or unintentionally. Like I said,

Right.

every time it's like the telephone game,

right?

Remember Exactly. a kid,

Right.

that's

Yeah.

what happens. So it's not something to be like this isn't new.

There's nothing new about any of this stuff and how information works.

And if you really dig into information theory, you can get down to the physics of information and understand how.

how how a lot of this stuff is so entirely predictable but it comes along with you know initial reports of something come out and then that always changes later then people go why did this change like well because the initial report about anything is never almost never right and

Almost

it's it's so

never.

far off from being what it is but we we need as humans that instant gratification but the reason also we're talking about is because we sort of have i you you

You sort of summed up a lot of this in an experience,

an event, a thing we were at the other week in Pennsylvania,

Yep

where we were talking to some really important folks.

And I thought you did a great job of it because you tied in a couple of things that we know and other people might know about certain historical events,

certain stories,

whatever it is, and tied it in to show as an example. So I was kind of hoping you would be able to share that in a sense with the listeners of what you said and briefed all of these very important.

important folks out there and they got to hear and I know it's not going to be the same right but but it was so some of it was sort of in the moment and it was spurred by it by a conversation we'd had at dinner over you

Yeah.

know this and then

But

it but

some of our best conversations are,

it

Brian.

is and that's what these are on the podcast who we try to have you know it's hard to replicate that they're in the moment over dinner but but we try to do that on here but but you know I so I'll throw it to you Greg on that to sort of share with everyone your your take on this.

exactly now the Brian and I were eating at Lamb's Creek Food and Spirits in Mansfield Pennsylvania if you're ever in Pennsylvania and you're in Mansfield it's the place to go if

It's

you've

delicious.

got that and you've got a Perkins right and Perkins wonderful shout out to Carol and her staff there but but for a dinner I'm telling you Lamb's Creek was the place so as we're sitting there enjoying a cocktail talking to some very intelligent people

The 1965 classic Rescue Me comes on over the piped-in music.

And one of the guys we're sitting at the table with who is a genius,

Wiley Coyote, super genius in a PhD,

says, ah,

the amazing Aretha Franklin.

And I did a spit take, if you remember, Brian,

and I was like,

whoa,

wait a minute,

you know, I'm a music history student and I'm a Detroit boy and it's not Aretha,

it's the amazing Clantella Bass.

matter of fact aretha never covered that song it was always fine to tell a bass and that led me down

Are you a going

path

to sing a bar real quick to get

i

everyone in

won't

the mood?

but i will sing in a minute brian because you've demanded it with my gravelly voice that'll be great but find tell a bass for everybody that remembers her uh she was a one hit wonder of sorts and that was the song that defined her career uh shout out to to st louis where we were just a few weeks ago shout out to the great joe wade

Wade,

fantastic team at Asymmetric Solutions,

our dear friend Joe Busso,

everything St.

Louis is epitomized in fine alabaster.

So the first thing that comes to my mind, my drug-addled mind,

is ethylene. And so I'm thinking of ethylene. So if we combine glycol, then we have ethylene glycol, colorless, odorless, and I use it in my radiator to cool my engine.

But I can also use it to murder my significant other.

And that's why the radiator coolant manufacturers always tell you to wash down your driveway if you have a stain so your dog doesn't lick

Dog it doesn't

and die,

get it,

right?

yeah.

So ethylene glycol, we ran into a lot in Iraq and Afghanistan,

Brian, because it's a component in some bombs that people make that are explosive.

a nature but homemade so hme that's a hard term sometime to to come up with when you're on a roll and so eflin on its own is pretty significant and i'll get into that in a moment so eflin made me think of bob seager and bob seager took me back to my brother's high school graduation my dear brother brian and gross point now but in east detroit 1976 seager sang at his high school graduation he wasn't quite as as big as he is now right

or now you could probably get them but uh what's the guy you make fun

Oh,

of all the time

God.

i drank alone

George

it's

Thorogood.

a you

Yeah, it's hilarious.

could probably hire thorough good to fill a room but uh sigar sang at my brother's high school graduation i snuck in and among other songs you know that sigar's famous for singing old time rock and roll he recorded uh just give me old time rock and roll 1979 everybody knows that they associate it probably with film or song which is why brian

That we're going to get back to in a minute why these things happen how misinformation disinformation start The song old-time rock and roll was written by the famous George Jackson George Jackson born in Mississippi 1945 wrote 14 hit songs by the time he was 30 years old I remember George from Muscle Shoals, Alabama The place that that he put on the map for a lot of people that like the type of music I do and George Jackson no relationship to anybody but George

George Jackson wrote the song One Bad Apple.

And everybody on the call knows the one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch girl.

Give it one more try before you give up on love.

One bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch girl.

I don't care what they say.

I don't care what you heard.

You remember that. Now, I would really get into that if I didn't want to wake the dog that's sleeping next to me. But we instantly and immediately relate that song with the Jackson 5.

Well, there's two things wrong with that file folder,

right?

First of all,

Jackson 5 never covered that song.

It was the Osmond Brothers.

The Osmond Brothers tried to sound like the Jackson 5 because the Jackson 5 were hot and they wanted to be memorable,

right?

So they took George Jackson's song, No Relation to the Jackson 5,

and guess what they did?

They brought it to the charts in 1971 and here's another hit by George Jackson. The second part of that is Ethel in is a gas that forms when fruits start to decay in the bowl on your counter.

And Eflin, once it starts, will make all

All

the fruit in that bowl decay.

So one bad apple does indeed spoil

Yes,

the whole bunch,

it

girls.

does.

And so here we've got a little bit of misinformation.

that has spread over four decades do you get what i'm trying to say and everybody to this day still thinks it's aretha franklin on rescue me and everybody that i've ever talked to always goes oh the jackson five when it's one bad apple and i'm like no it's not it couldn't be further from the jackson five if you compare them to the osmond other than you know both being brothers and both being singers everything about those bands is completely different so what

So at Columbine, Brian,

put the neck wrap on folks that if you're listening,

because we're about to, you know, pivot,

the Columbine calls that came in.

had five shooters,

trench coat mafia,

sniper on the roof.

Look,

there was a guy that had the wrong day to work on the air conditioning in the cafeteria.

So yeah, he was up on the roof and he got pegged as a sniper early on.

There were people running from the scene that just happened to be wearing their baseball cap backwards as, you know, Klebold and Harris had when they were seen shooting inside the building.

And every time somebody saw him, Brian,

what do you think that added up to? That added up to an additional shooter,

which brings me back to one of our dear friends who I won't name because he went rogue that was in an armored vehicle downtown in a place in Iraq.

I had a good friend of his shot by a sniper.

So every time that he looked up on the rooftops after that with his M2HB50 cal,

he saw those satellite dishes or the water buckets,

Yeah,

the water

you know, tanks. that are up there,

and he would shoot them up thinking they were a sniper.

Brian, one little piece of information through the telephone line turns into misinformation,

which then turns into disinformation. And that's the route.

If it's unintentional, do you see what I mean?

Right.

If it's unintentional.

You never meant it to be that, but you propagate it. You keep it lofted. You keep it moving.

And the longer it gathers its own, it's like that snowball going downhill.

Right.

and and and that's um that's a great understanding of how these things occur and then what becomes solidified as information you know it goes

and

back to

now

the idea

it's a fact

that's aretha franklin did that and aretha franklin when it came on you know her biggest song r-e-s-p-e-c-t talking about respect and sticking it to the man kind of you know i was like yeah but but otis redding wrote that song and he was writing

out of dock and her bed exactly

he was talking about his girl and like you see but but

But in the irony in that one, I always love is like, do you get it? This isn't about men versus women or women versus men.

It's Exactly. this is human communication. This is how things work. It's how we do.

And then it doesn't matter which way the wind blows.

It can mean that for you.

And that's partly because art and music is subjective and we get to interpret it. But all information and stories are subjective. You know, you talk about the allegory, the cave all the time back to Plato.

And

That's everyone, what if

but everyone uses that. See,

you know, if you're just that scared person staying in the cave,

you're never going to do anything in life. And that's what it's like,

well, hang on, like,

that would

if

have meant exactly.

that would have meant that it was like you're looking at the shadow at the back of the cave, you're not seeing what's real.

It's about human perception and then the decisions we make from our perception.

Based on that, based on that, those fundamental underpinnings. I'll give you one that just happened with our CEO.

So the wonderful Shelly, it's Women's History Month,

everybody.

homage to the women in your history she walked into the kitchen we were watching a game show before we went to bed both were going to have a you know a cocoa or whatever cocaine you know calm us down before we went to sleep exactly I

It makes me dream faster.

know what fentanyl tastes like and so what happened is she walked in and she just made this offside a side comment you

and she said cinnamon blowhole and so i go okay well i clearly didn't hear that right i go what are you talking about and she goes well the clue they gave was cinnamon blowhole and i go shall they wouldn't put that on tv that'd be a great call sign and

Yeah.

as a matter of fact that might be a good chapter in one of our upcoming books right but i said you know that's not it so we went back again and we rewound the tape on on the game show and the person was looking at the other person trying to use as few words as possible and said cinnamon

synonym oh global and with it wanted is international was the word they were searching for but both Shelly and I are clinically deaf so it became now had we not gone back to the source and corrected it then cinnamon blowhole would have been a running gag forever or

yeah and it sounds like some some awful thing that happens at a frat house on some college campus

some very

somewhere

good thing that happens that you pay for

so i

in a local

know

locality

and and that's that's um there

no but it's there's the

there's well there's count there's countless examples of that of the story that spins out and now those all i remember reading the books as when i was a kid and he had the radio show paul harvey now you know the rest of

rest

the story

of the every one of us loved

yeah

those yep

because he'd go back and go oh wow i didn't i didn't know that's how that thing got started and that's still so prevalent on social media and stuff you see that where people will do a good thread or something like hey

Yep.

hey i know we all know this but you know where that came from and it's always so cool it's like wow i had no idea those two things were ever related and there's a million of these but it it comes from how humans are it with with information and how we attribute value to certain things over others and and what we want and a lot of it just kind of either confirms our our beliefs right that confirmation bias and and we we want it to be true so therefore it is true and then it goes forward and then

and then the story gets lost and goes wow it doesn't matter anyway yeah the the uh the when people use the perception is reality it's like no reality is perception your reality

Reality is reality.

and

You know what I'm saying?

well

You're 100%.

but which

Right?

which is a which is a perception of how you perceive things to be like it's like when people use you know um the truth i want the truth i go no i want the facts like because your your i make fun of the the reality shows where they're like

like i'm here to speak my truth and it's like i hate it but it's actually the greatest way to describe it because it's such a subjective thing you're right your experience and events is your truth yeah

a narrative right but that doesn't mean that what you're saying is true for the fundamental basis the underpinning of the rest of the argument but why do we do that we look i'll tell you somebody left behind ahmed arbery ahmed arbery was left behind because what we did is we went around the country

If people died near the same time that Ahmad did,

and what happened is we forgot that Ahmad Aubrey was the perfect poster child for how racism starts and becomes entrenched in a society.

Yeah.

And he was murdered for what, Brian?

For jogging.

Jogging.

Okay, so,

so, but, but.

We lost sight. So you said that earlier.

You said sometimes we lose sight of the original story.

I'll give you one. Two cops were killed so far this week, probably more by the time this is going to reach broadcast.

One copper overnight last night shot in a park in Chicago.

Two coppers responded

Yeah.

to the home. Two coppers chased the gunman.

Gunman spins,

turns and shoots the guy dead.

Yeah.

The copper.

OK,

well, within hours before that, Brian,

a copper in his in his.

the canine partner were killed.

They were going through the green light in their community.

Everything was fine. Everything's caught on camera.

And a kid ran the red light, purportedly texting. I don't know this part of the story, so I'm not going to add conjecture to it.

But what we do know is the kid that was driving the car was going 85 and a 35.

Hit the copper,

broadside,

dead right there.

Wow

DRT,

we call that.

He and the dog died the copper.

That copper,

his name and his commitment to society are going to be lost because what does news media want us to know about? They want us to know about the shooting that followed a high speed chase that followed a you understand what I'm saying. So sometimes sensationalism, right,

the fact that it sounded enough like the Jackson 5 is enough for us to open a door and go a direction and forget about the pioneers

Later.

that were really responsible for this story.

right and my argument is that's not the media that's humans yeah

Yeah, but exactly.

So who drives the media?

You're right back to the tail wagging the dog.

yeah

You see what I'm trying to say?

So they don't just come up and go,

hey,

I bet people will love this. They follow an algorithm

or

that

they go here's

says we will.

these are the five things we're going to try holy crap this one got all the attention let's just do that not from now on and it's

to do two

it's

things.

it's really it's really that

That simple and

But that hurts, though. That hurts because what happens is you're shaping the history of the foundational elements of a story.

And and and of course you get the predicted response from people of okay well

We got to teach kids about how to identify misinformation,

disinformation. Like, what are you talking about?

One,

Exactly.

what would that, what does that even mean?

What would that even look like?

How are you qualified to come up with something like this?

It's so ridiculous.

If you just learn about this is how you as a human process information,

this is how you as a human.

communicate information.

This is called some basic biases about confirmation bias and fundamental attribution error that affect

Exactly.

your reasoning and judgment.

And guess what?

You can't change that.

You can become aware of it.

You can put in some sort of measures to an analytical process so you don't fall into that trap, but you are primed.

to do that. You are 100% primed to fall into that trap every single time because you care about immediacy and what's going to save me right now, what's going to keep me alive,

what's not going to kill me.

And if we just understand that process better,

you get better at seeing what misinformation or disinformation is.

I saw someone wrote an article about like, people need to learn how to read. Not that you can't read, like literally read the words on a page, but how to read a piece of information,

I

how to

read

read it

that

critical.

same story,

by the way.

So

It it was

goes

great because it was like, all right, hey, this is what you need to do. All right, first,

read the title.

What does that title say?

What does it mean?

Who is the author,

right?

What are they writing about and what are they writing for and who do they work for?

Like you put it adds this context and then look at the words that they choose to use. How did they describe the events?

How did that make you feel? And it's like once you start going down that,

it's very simple to tell what's a sensational piece and what's a clinical by the book.

the book piece no one ever reads all those investigations after the fact and we love those we always say hey wait for that stuff to come out because all of the facts of the case are in there that the investigators found i mean maybe there's something that they didn't find but but everything that's known is right there not the story

whether whether it benefits the defense or

yeah or

the prosecution

prosecution yeah right it's all there

have to make sure that it has to be there and so look let's talk about that for a minute did Sisyphus

uh,

uh, spend his life pushing the boulder up the hill only to have it roll back down the hill, or is that yet another allegory? Okay.

Now I don't want to poke somebody in the eye or talk about faith,

uh,

but we very recently had a discussion about Samson and Samson's hair was Samson's strength.

Why? Because there's a Jewish group called the Nazir that they didn't drink alcohol and they grew their hair because they thought that that was a sign

100%

of the

devotion.

special relation

Yeah.

with God.

To God.

God,

Okay,

yeah.

so obviously cutting Samson's hair was the ultimate insult,

right?

Because we're saying, you know, your strength from God now is gone.

Now what do you do, right?

So, Brian, sometimes the story is so powerful that we do it a disservice by not looking into what the facts are.

And that's exactly how I feel, you know,

about reading articles.

How many articles do I send you a day?

Yeah, I don't know, a dozen.

Yeah.

Okay.

So

That's

at least

just me sharing.

one an hour that you're right at least one an hour that I share with you where there's a specific point where the person.

went editorial and that pisses me off where they say it could have been or perhaps this was related anytime that you do that you take away from the information and you can't create intelligence without information and that's misinformation so then if i pass it on knowingly then it's disinformation right i mean i'm playing fast and loose with the with the uh uh description only to show people how simple it can be when it starts

You know, there's the old, you know, the old Native American one, Brian, I wrote about a long time ago,

Shelly and I were down.

around a Native American pueblo and the person was cooking they had the bread pan and they were putting

Mm

the

-hmm.

meatloaf in the bread pan and they cut the end off of it and they turned around and they said something to this guy and they gave it to the dog and because we didn't speak the Native American language we didn't know what it was we asked and they said well great grandmother uh the idea is that she blessed the food and she shares it with the dog because the dog is from the earth and they went on this long explanation so we sat down and one of the other family members came in and we were eating that meat later and she said no that's not true at all

Oh,

it's because she said, gosh,

damn it, I wish I would have had a bigger baking pan.

I don't want to throw this good meat out.

So but but what happened is it became institutional memory.

And if institutional memory is based on a house of cards,

Brian,

it's going to fail after a while. That's in essence,

that's what I'm trying to bring to the table,

No,

you know.

and that's a great example of the different historical examples you'll see where people will go back now today and go, well, see this.

this part of the story right here that was hugely important to those and if you went back in time they'd be like oh no man like uh that red was the only clean shirt i had that day so i i wore red i mean and and and that becomes sort of entrenched in these ideas we take things not for what is the

intent and purpose and what were they truly trying to get across we like these tiny little elements

Yep,

that we think might be significant and oftentimes that you know they're they're not often significant to

because

to what

we Graham

was happening

on to

right

them. We give them weight.

I'll give you a.

uh give you an example of that the the egg on the wall the we really linky what's the egg that falls off all the king's horse and all the king's back

Humpty Dumpty?

humpty dumpty so

Yeah.

humpty you know what you don't see a lot anymore brian hunchback uh but let's go to humpty dumpty humpty dumpty had nothing to do with an egg humpty dumpty was a cannon that was used during the war and during the the battle with the cannon the the cannon broke and then they weren't able and they were overwhelmed in no manner

look see champies started somewhere do you get what I'm trying to say and it was a form of communication just like a martial arts kata what I had to do is I had to take a series of moves and put them together

as it kind of because most of the people that came to my martial arts course couldn't read do

Yeah.

And

you know

you got to remember it.

So try

So if I put in

to

the logical order

remember it and

and memorize it. Yeah.

guess what now all of a sudden somebody turned it into a song or a rap or a poem and it's easier to remember people ask me all the time well why can my kid remember every rap lyric two things one they like it okay that so you got to appeal to the person and the second thing is it appeals to them in an order of

clearer thinking and processing something that happened in their own life because if they tie it to an emotion or a feeling in their own life they're apt to remember it so i will tell you that even that little story that i told about a wreath franklin and going to the osmonds somebody in the crowd is going to hear one of those songs three months from now and think of this podcast that's that's how it works brian sure

Well, yeah, and especially when it comes to music, because it's logically and mathematically correct to your brain.

It gets it right away. Music is ingrained in all humans.

It's been frequency.

We'll

Cool.

see.

yeah

And

well that's

our

exactly

brains

it

learn

and

on a frequency,

and

right?

and and yeah it's it's a frequency and it's a repetitive pattern that's

Right?

that's uh consistent um and even with um because that gets into a lot of music especially like well you can get into classical or certain jazz music but but you know even with um with with hit music anything becomes a hit there's a certain amount of predictability to it with just a little bit of i'm not sure what's going to happen

your brain

Right.

is okay with a little bit but if it's too much i don't know what's happening here there's no real rhythm it's chaos and your brain does not like it like what is this racket this is noise and and so and

What

so it

you said

has to

to Sean's son.

Okay. So Sean Clemens, our consigliere, love him to death. His son, Christian,

is a wonderful pilot and a musician and he's like 15.

So you talk about the samurai,

right?

And you sent the article to Christian to say, look,

there's only so many chords.

that

Oh,

appear

yeah,

yeah,

in

yeah.

the hit music,

right?

Yeah.

And we see that.

It's

And we're

an algorithm.

also drawn to what?

Discordant.

Why?

Because discordant becomes the anomaly.

Yep.

And so our brain is naturally triggered to look at anomalous behavior,

even in music, even in speech patterns.

So we're drawn to that.

Why are we drawn to it? First for survival and then because it's a little different.

And how many times have you had somebody come up with a Mohawk that was painted orange and you ask them, what are you doing?

And they go,

I want to be different. And you see 10,000 people that day that are in the auditorium with the orange Mohawk, you know, I did it.

But that's what our brain lams onto,

Brian.

And so because we're individuals and we no longer function as members of a team, okay,

the tribe,

what happens is that our individual views become a reality.

Right.

And it's hard to break that. That confirmation bias is very difficult to break specifically over time.

No,

and that's even why comedy works,

right?

It's when

You're

a joke

exactly right.

lands because it's something you...

you didn't expect to happen next it's it's your you have a setup that's leading you down a path and then all of a sudden the comic goes nope it's over here and you're like oh my gosh i didn't see that turn right there

Exactly.

that's hilarious and but but that that's how it works and so part of the reason why uh why i wanted to discuss this on here with everyone is is because it's it's it's such a prevalent thing and because we don't understand that someone has to come up

come up with a new term for it and use it then it becomes part of the vernacular then everyone's no like that's misinformation that's it's like look man like 90 of the stuff you see is it's it's talk it's like it's why i love be i love reading on twitter a lot of people's comments because it's talk it's conversation it's not it's not a definitive statement it's

Exactly.

not a hey i looked into this it's not they're not teaching you appropriate like you know we always give the example when we're in teaching we're very deliberate

and this is what it is it's clinical this is how we explain it even though we we take people on that emotional roller coaster ride there's

Right.

a specific point to everything that we're trying to do

Absolutely

and every single slide

everything.

and everything comment and everything over here and and and so but the idea is that that's not what

most things are most things are talk and talk is cheap right that's

Yeah.

the whole point talk is cheap yeah

We're bridging a gap here, but let me shine a light on something.

Okay,

so in class when we're teaching,

it's all science all the time.

Absolutely everything draws back to a specific point that needs to be made so you can learn another thing. Yep.

Okay, now, if we take a look at the podcast,

the podcast is our form of being able to sit down and just have a couple.

cup of coffee and talk

yeah

about

yeah for

things that bother us so it's opinion-based testimony we

sure right

never bring opinion-based testimony into the classroom there's two completely different things arcadia is what goes on in the classroom left to greg is us talking why is that important

but why do you do that well because people would say because well that you're not being authentic then or you're not using facts

but

because

wait a minute

it's actually we the opposite

spent it's exactly the opposite we're authentic and transparent and we're deliberate and and what i mean by that is we're intentional intentional

yesterday,

Brian,

we spent over an hour closing the loop on a gosh damn armored car robbery that occurred two years ago and we were. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. But why?

Because we commented on that information. We're not a flash in the pan.

And it was just as relevant today as it was when we went down and broke down that video and talked about it. And now five people are in jail and we know the indictment. Why?

Because we, in that professional realm, when I'm rendering my opinion,

I want to be right every time.

Yes.

I want to give nothing

Yeah.

but fact-based data,

right?

And then you draw the reasonable conclusion.

But on this show,

Brian,

when we're talking about,

hey, I don't like the Chicago painting on the right wall, I think it's on the left wall,

it's a completely different thing,

Right.

you see?

So are we still training and educating in the podcast?

Yeah,

but we're doing it in a fun.

a way where we can argue a point and disagree on something.

Why don't we disagree in class?

Because we

Where

spent

laser

40

focus.

years

Yeah,

researching everything

there's

and

no.

it's based on 3,000 years of stuff,

and so there is no wiggle room.

And people that know us know exactly what we're talking about.

If you and I are sitting down at a bar,

the Aretha Franklin conversation,

right?

That wonderful place in Mansfield.

That was we were sharing ideas.

We were brainstorming things and we were having a good time. That stuff ain't going to end up in class.

You see what I mean? It's a it's a different standard.

Well, and I think.

Yes, it's completely different standard and it's us.

This is who we are.

We're completely transparent about everything,

but you can have nuanced views on things.

You can, you can, that's, that's okay. You don't have to tow some line or you don't have to come out and say some certain thing and you can ask questions, especially when we're on here right now discussing,

you know, we're, we're being like, there's, there's some, there's trust between us right now, not just because we know each other working together, but, but literally like.

In order to have an open, honest discussion, there has to be that trust there.

So meaning I have to be able to say something.

And kind of maybe that isn't correct or makes you uncomfortable and you have to be able to go, well, Brian,

like, I don't know if I agree with that and here's why.

And

So

we

a

have to be able to take

level

that

of vulnerability

back.

comes from

Absolutely.

the transparency.

And that's what being transparent and honest is.

And so a lot of people can't shift between those things.

And I always use like the law as an example, like there are laws in our country that I completely disagree with.

I think they're stupid and I think we need to change them.

change them i don't break them like i don't have that right like i follow them i i i'm

Right.

not going to step over and cross that line because it's illegal do i agree with it no but i have the ability to write my congress person i can i can petition and i have the right to redress as a u.s citizen to say i disagree with these we should change these but

We can't

but right

do it violently.

Totally agree.

and i can't and i can't break i can't go well i don't you know disagree with this so i'm i'm going to do it anyway it's like well okay

But that's a choice you made and you've now colored outside the lines.

Yeah,

Well,

I look at that almost,

but you get what I'm saying?

I

The difference between

spot

what

on.

a spokesman is saying about a specific topic versus maybe what their opinion is on what should happen or what that is.

If we discuss it here and we say, hey, this is what science says about it. This is what I've seen.

We're giving you we're not making stuff up. We're telling you exactly what we've experienced in our life.

and we're saying this is the research that we've done but we're having fun with it where in class yeah class is a lot of fun but class is literally transmitting data that is going to make you smarter stronger faster and harder to kill in a manner that the pedagogy and the andragogy form a hegemony that's not what we do here this isn't a webinar we're just discussing things that we like to talk about

And.

and we're tying them together

other in life hacks that anybody could use in any walk of life.

So it doesn't have to be military.

It doesn't have to be, you know, police. It can be, you know, first responder, but it can be HR and it can be you talking to your daughter before she goes to 7-Eleven, you know, and that's what I like about this format is because we can really leak some things about ourselves or about our families

Right.

or about which aren't things that we make a definitive line.

In the classroom,

Brian, how often do folks,

we research and rehearse every course that we give.

Right.

We are the top of this game and a point on the pyramid of the research and the thinking in this realm. Yet every single time before we leave,

we make sure that we're researching and rehearsing and making sure that the items are relevant that we're going to talk about on that day. How many people can say that they do that? And we know that they don't.

Don't, right?

And so when the person pushes information out immediately after an incident or

Right.

an event,

they're

Okay.

trying to be first.

Yes.

You get where I'm going?

And,

They're not trying to be the most accurate.

They're trying to scoop the rest of the market.

and

And we

that's,

don't

that's

do that.

sort of the next thing.

i kind of wanted to talk about on

Yeah.

this on this topic is a lot of folks are just trying to get something out there first and i i think because we sort of have that culture with us where oh i heard this and this is what's going on here and everyone shares like i go through a social media thing and everyone's sharing the same stupid video sometimes and just like you know i i i wish original content was got pushed up in the algorithm but unfortunately it doesn't and we'll never see that because that doesn't

you know people don't

It's

necessarily like

counterintuitive.

it yeah

Right,

so

right, right.

Yep.

so but but and that rush is is a big problem and and i i always say what are you know we get asked different questions sometimes and sometimes i'm like okay here's what i know and i can comment on this but i'm not going to answer that other question like well can't you tell us like nope the facts of the case aren't out yet you don't know anything right now this is pure speculation you're narrating the tv with the sound off that's all you're doing at this point and so so those things

Softball.

are

Right.

And that's the thing where people can kind of take a look at is like, is this credible or someone just trying to get out there with this information?

Are you just sharing this stuff and why are you doing this? And how does this comment add value?

You're good

What is what

at that.

is you're saying? How does this add value to what's what's happening?

what do we say all the time if you can videotape it if you can film it on your phone you can stop

Stop

it you

it.

can intercede okay so left a bang uh uh is more than a concept it's a way of life and that's why look i am miserable in the rest of my life absolutely everything i do i'm a failure but when it comes to this i'm great at it and i have fun with it okay so i stick in my lane i'm not going to go throw the first pitch out you get what i'm trying to say at the local uh ball game

because I blow at that.

I'm not going to be able to do that.

And I'm not going to comment on effing films unless it's a film about human behavior because I'm not an expert at that.

So I'll stay in my lane.

Now with Brian, I'll talk about that with Shelly or Sean. I'll talk about that.

Those are different instances.

So when we take a look at how a person will process the information that you're giving them, we're saying a sound analysis is important.

So I see these videos that you're talking about and only because you and Sean sent them.

because I have no other social media.

I only have LinkedIn.

And all of a sudden I see a guy come on LinkedIn with one of the photos I've seen now 10 times that everybody sends it to me. And it shows a teacher get knocked the F out by

Oh,

a student.

yeah.

Yeah.

And then it shows like 26 minutes of pablum of shit that you don't need to know of response.

Okay, look.

If you're not left of bang,

then you're making all your decisions on the X and there's always a next bang.

So after bang is an important time. Come to a class, we'll talk about it all,

ask these questions,

write it.

So the person goes in and breaks it down and the breakdown is something like, well, you see here the person got knocked out.

and what you have to do is you're okay there you go now we saw that one with the gas station robbery where the people the guy distracted him the people surrounding well you see right here he wasn't paying attention and he got robbed do

you could

me

have seen

a favor

that down the street you could have been down the street driving up to the gas station go oh that's a robbery in progress or those guys are about to look at ambush

and

someone

you know what we're more about we're more about those guys were sitting in the basement of their mom's home and they were all smoking some kind bud and one guy looks at the other guy and goes we can't go to

you go to Popeye's fried chicken this afternoon because we're broke and the other guy goes hey I like that Subway uh whatever sandwich better and now they're arguing about food and the one guy goes well let's go get some well what are we going to do well we're going to carjack somebody

Yeah,

that's

yeah

where it starts so so if we're talking about that and then we bring it in and what you should do to be more aware before you even choose the place to go gas those are beneficial stuff showing somebody shoot themselves get shot or

The latest one, the St.

Louis one of the guy fiddling around with

oh

the gun

yeah

and then shooting

he he fired

and the guy narrating

him yeah

the whole thing.

he he

Hey, he's got a gun.

well he shot around already and then they hit some sort of malfunction

That's

and

what oriented

he's on

them.

the phone and that's what yeah that's

exactly That's what happened.

why he's filming so now the guy's standing there on the phone fumbling around trying to fix the malfunction of

Yeah.

his weapon system takes him forever to do it right there in broad daylight and then she just executes the the appeared to be homeless person you know right in front of him just right right right there

There are.

hundreds of thousands of those photos right now on the internet and there's hundreds to thousands that drop every week and the idea is that if you're going to live your life based on an incident that occurred somewhere else at bang and try to make a reasonable judgment on it that's ridiculous all humans are the same all over all prevent indications are identical you just have to pick them out and if intent is present danger is present but if danger is present opportunity is present

Those simple links will make you so much happier,

right?

But what we tend to do is we tend to read two or three articles that day,

and what do we do?

Our unconscious biases put them together and show a trend.

And now it's trending

Well,

by the end

OK,

of the day. Well, hold on for a minute, right?

that's that's that's another thing.

There's so many examples of this. It's like with the whole, you know, when the Chinese balloon,

you know, was was shot down over the US and we were tracking it and people are freaking the F out. One, wait till you find out what satellites are.

are uh to wait till you find out all that there everything that china does in terms of collection um and

Exactly.

three uh you you know anything about what the u.s does i'll just leave it at that

Exactly.

but if you if you if you think what china is doing is impressive or or scary wait till you find out what we're doing but but the idea it is such a perfect uh it's a perfect example of how we think oh my gosh now there's things everywhere

Now we get how would we let this happen?

Well,

Yep.

meanwhile

uh our intelligence services watch them launch that balloon when

Yep.

it first left china meaning they knew they were going to do it they knew the time they knew the location and were able to observe it knew where the path was going determined because of the the weather currents that oh it got blown off path because they're actually trying to send it down here and then it went up here and then did something about it like it's hilarious and everyone goes why are we letting this happen just shoot it's like

it's like okay if you shoot down an adversary's balloon they now know that that you're you're

You

they

know,

can

all of the information that led up to that trajectory.

or you could let them keep thinking that what they're doing

I'd

is yeah

like to best a selfie with the pilot.

of

That's okay.

course

Instead

that's

of instead

that's

of

awesome

firing that guy and putting him in jail.

Okay.

yeah

What happens is that's the most important thing that came out

and

of that entire thing.

his whole

But but

his whole

then squadron it's still a trend.

is so his Oh, whole squadron

my God.

is so jealous of him but yeah but then we think well what else is

Yeah.

out there how long

oh my god they're everywhere and they're doing all this stuff to us it's like they always have been like you're just fine the the funny

And they have

thing of

to.

well

We

the funny do thing

the

about

same.

this is is when everyone tries to be out first with what's going on and they're everything's a pattern and look at the it's like a lot of times what you're doing is you're just showing your ignorance of the situation because you're showing that you didn't know any of this shit was going on already so i love it when people do that because i always love it when people

you know show their ignorance or show who they

Of

really are

course.

or how little they know because it helps go see we probably shouldn't listen to this person anymore but everyone

So

still does

let's add this to that.

When you read who the author is,

you have incumbent upon you the

uh onus of looking that person up looking at other things that they wrote and looking what they contributed to would you agree with me that there are doctors out there that are absolutely insane or bring

Yes.

their ridiculous what about a soldier what about a marine what what about a politician what about look there's people in our walks of life that talk just to be heard and they write just to be read and that's all they're about i mean look

Jay Leno can't stay off of television.

Oh

You see

my what god,

I'm saying?

that was a great example.

And so was the guy, what was the guy that ended up selling fish oil?

He had the great thing in the morning, Larry King.

I can't remember.

Okay, so Larry King went through every day and who he is and he's at the top of the game to finally hawk and fish oil at two in the morning with a guy because he couldn't get away from it. That was him. He needed to be in front of that camera and that microphone,

right?

So.

i'll go to cryptids and i know everybody loves when i go to ufos or bigfoot or big feet i guess it would be and there's that video that keeps coming out of the ball that goes by and there's different names it's the b it's this and it's going so far and it's over the water and it's in and people are chiming in and the guy's saying well i was on the uss nimitz and i was the communications expert and i came in first of all what's the first rule shut the fuck up second second rule is if you're going to come out there

If you're not credentialed or don't have credibility or you're not an eyeball witness and remember what we say about witnesses.

So Brian,

I've seen that video broken down.

By experts on

Yeah.

one side, probably 10 or 11 times on the cryptic side and probably 200 times on the science side. And everybody goes,

look,

this object is only going this speed.

What the problem is, is our parallax

Yeah,

and the perspective

parallax,

it

yeah.

doesn't. OK.

And they mathematically show

And

it and they it's

recreate it with their iPhone.

That's the best.

insignificant. So so so what happens is I don't want to be bamboozled and be caught up in something like that.

So I'll withhold my opinion until I hear more than one opinion

Right,

and

right.

I will never when people ask us to render a legal opinion,

if they say my opinion is this,

well,

first of all, you've tainted me. Second of all, I'll need both sides. I'll need all arguments.

I'll need every video that's available.

Then I'll render my opinion because if you're not involved in the caper, your gut brain instinct history,

what you ate for breakfast.

comes in and it taints the pool and so are we saying that all things that are out there are lies no

No.

but but enjoy the entertainment value don't turn around and start digging in your yard uh because we're going to to war with china right i mean it's it and people do brian people do that stuff

Well, and that stuff is because it's, you know, those.

full of shit stories i have started wars before even

Of

even

course

people

they have.

have made decisions off of bad information or

they Yes.

were done intentionally to draw something i mean that that's the that's the problem when you sensationalize everything it makes it harder to determine what you need to act on and and what you what you should just go okay and and so you have to have that healthy healthy dose of skepticism and and take a look at because because social media is a great thing greg i know you only have linkedin but it

but just look at who you're following just look at

every Yep.

account and you're still going to start to see like oh wait a minute pretty

There's

much following

a pattern.

there's there's a pattern here of of

There

where

sure is.

i'm getting information and wow it turns out when something comes out they all agree on something so maybe that's feeding into the fact that which

Of

is why we

course

both do

it is.

it where we where where uh you know i'll follow or be connected with something that has absolutely nothing to do with what i do or who i

Cigarette.

am in order to get you you always do the one when

and when when you travel you know we love that is go in you know you travel but go into the hudson news at the airport and buy a magazine of some crap that you've never been interested before know nothing about and then you go oh wow like i'm

but you have to do what you have to read

gotta

it cover to read cover

it

including

yeah yep

the advertisements in the commentary because only then will you see that viewpoint and the more you do that look i follow some harebrained shit but i understand it's completely entertainment

But Yeah.

then what do we do? We send it to Martin and Sean and Shelly.

And we say, what are your views on this?

And if we have to go outside of that,

we have what's called an advisory board and we send it to them before we would ever render a comment on something.

Do you get what I'm trying to say?

We would have to make sure that it passes muster. But we don't do that on a joke, do we? You

yeah

see what I mean? We don't do that on a song we like.

well

So

we

it's

we and

a different standard.

and the song thing is a lot like you know sort of meme culture and people setting stuff it's like we we everyone you know memes are supposed to be funny or highlight a point it's a great way to transmit

spent a lot of information over just an image with some text on it but it's not the real thing it's it's the joke it's it's it's not

Yes.

the actual thing it's a it's a commentary on it and and you know the big

And it's less than parody.

It's a form of social commentary that doesn't have to be funny.

And, you know, that's the great thing about what do you see in this picture?

It's like the dot thing where you pull it away and do you see the sailboat?

I like that.

Sometimes you send me stuff.

stuff and I don't understand it so I have to write you and I go I don't get the joke

Yeah.

and then you have to fill me in on those things that I don't understand about social media

Yeah.

Here's the three things surrounding that you need to know in order to get that meme right.

yes but but I love when you do that because that opens my eyes to a thing that I or my heart or my ears to a thing that I don't know and I'm not afraid of that but some people are right fear is a motivator so if you sell with fear you're wrong sex is a motivator so if you sell with sex you're wrong right because

What does that do? That changes my electrochemical neurotransmitters in a direction and that's deliberate and intentional too.

So that's right back to your misinformation,

disinformation. Am I using the left hand to jab so I can hit you with the right hand hook or cross,

right?

I mean, that's what it is. And if you're doing that for nefarious means,

then it's evil.

Right.

And that's, well,

because another one I see, you know, we're.

where people just make all these wild harebrained you know schemes up in their head whatever you want to call it a conspiracy theory

Right.

or just commentary on something and they create these big elaborate things and they're constantly putting stuff out and it's it's this person's clearly clickbait it's clearly bullshit they're trying to get you to buy something or they're making money off of this and it's very but people still fall into it and then what do they do they come back like yeah but but he was right about this thing

it's like okay so we're going to use the broken clock fucking methodology

You're

here

exactly

to evaluate

right twice a

that

day.

like uh wait wait wait to go with that like i'm gonna i'm gonna make predictions on 700 things look i was right on this one

Well,

That's

maybe some of the other things I'm saying could be right. No,

that's not what it means.

It means you are right on one.

that's the quatrains of Nostradamus theory,

Oh,

Brian.

of

Don't

course.

try to make Nostradamus work,

Oh,

right?

my God.

Because what they go is they go,

well,

Hitler was Hitler in the language

Yeah,

of the,

oh my Lord.

And you know what? People buy into that. You know why people buy into that? Because people are vulnerable and people are afraid

it goes

and people

back to,

are

and

insecure,

right?

we don't like complexity. We don't.

don't like uh we don't understand randomness we don't

We

um

don't like change.

we

Okay.

don't like change for certain

Even weather change.

well

Why is weather such a significant thing? Because weather can still kill us, Brian.

because

That's important.

and and it comes down to lack of control i mean of like we

course.

and it's part of why religion is so powerful is because i need to have a faith system i need to have a belief to know that there's order here like there has to be a reason or hang on there has to be either

You're on there.

has to be a

be a person behind this there has to be a reason for everything and these things must be connected and you're like that's probably just a bunch of people all trying to get whatever they're trying to get and then sometimes sometimes those needs line up where they'll work together and sometimes they're bitter enemies on

Exactly.

that and so but but that that you know we don't like going we don't like uncertainty we don't like just thinking of us hurtling through space you know what i mean that could be just bashed in with a solar flare or a meteor at any second that's

That's

at

terrible.

any time. And, you know, the number one killer of people's heart disease,

you could drop dead from a heart attack anytime and be completely healthy.

Those things scare us. So guess what happens? We don't identify that,

but we identify the realm of that.

And you and I were talking to a very good friend in Texas and they were talking about cutting because, you know, we were talking about cutting is a sign.

Yeah.

Why do people cut? Because it's a form of control. They can control how deep and how long and how many cuts.

and it's

Yeah.

one of the things in their life they can control so what do you got to give them you got to give them other things that they can control and wean them off one bad habit to go another that's why some people say a 12-step works and other people go it's just a formula yeah it's a formula it's a formula to take an off ramp

Yeah.

to find the blinker on your car so you can slow down merge and leave right now other people don't need that but there's a million or a billion people out there that do need that so understanding control and what's within

And what's without of it.

And, Brian,

I would end with this on my thought.

People are lazy.

So people

Oh,

want

yeah.

to read the headline.

They don't necessarily want to read the article.

Yeah.

And that's why the article goes through a myriad other opportunities. Well,

just like what happened in Philadelphia last week, we have a problem in Florida.

And the thing in Florida just shows a weakness in the Republican.

That's all the preamble before we ever get to the facts of the story. Why?

Because they're taking you everywhere that they know that that emotional.

control toll will set its hook deepest you know and

Yeah.

so don't just don't if you do it for entertainment it's fine it's like masturbation you know what i'm saying some people uh will masturbate uh everybody masturbates i think we can talk about that i'm probably doing it two three times during one of our calls but the idea is that what you masturbate to is something if you're doing it for you know view of nature or if you're doing it but there's some people that do it the wrong way and they do it with the intent to hurt somebody else or with harmful material

Serial. The idea is that

As long as you understand to separate the entertainment from the act,

then you've got it made.

So don't base everything that you're going to do today on the headlines.

Go out and take a look outside.

You get what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Interact with the humans in your tribe,

right?

That'll

You know,

give you more to masturbate about,

I guess,

at the end of the day. Well,

come on.

I'm just going to say there's so many jokes I could have put in there that I was just staying so far away from.

Exactly.

But that gets back to, like, you know, we get a.

that information we like movies why do we like movies our brain loves movies and but but that's not that's not how it actually works and and so you know it kind of tricks us it fools us it gives us you know file folders you know for for things that that don't actually exist you know it's like the the um i i was re-watching an episode of that show uh breaking bad i love that show because um but it's not it's obviously this is not how that drug business works that's not

that's not how i mean it's so far from

Right?

it but but the the guy i forget the actor's name who plays the kid jesse who's this punk kid the like he's so good because i'm watching it and i want to punch this kid and shake him and be like what it's just shut up stop and

Oh

he does

my god,

such

that's a amazing.

good act so i'm not into the storyline as oh my god yes and they can have the fried chicken place that's the front for the methamphetamine it's like no it's that character is so good that it's got my brain

brain hook in and

that's

like

great

and so it's so engaging to me like i know it's fantasy but

which releases what releases oxytocin and endorphins and so when you see that actor and other things you're going to be drawn to that and people wonder why do i see the same six people in films all the time it's because there's an algorithm and the algorithm says hey you know michael kane has been in everything michael kane appeared in the bible and it's been in everything relevant all the way till

you know the last avatar michael cain

yeah

right and

yeah david

right because

attenborough he's he's

got it it's so

a perfect he's gonna narrate that you

and

know right

we can't get away from that okay but that's okay but you don't live the rest of your life on that you didn't call 911 because you saw a character like that in real life and said hey i think you should start following this guy around based on this movie i saw right so that's funny

it it all feeds into it and that's kind of the big points you know i i definitely

we hit a lot of the points we want to talk about

Okay.

you i love what we brought in the allegory of the cave and you know someone who's trying to sell something with fear or sex uh someone who's trying to get just get information out there first and and you know how we go from you know you you took the song rescue me i can't remember how you got from rescue me to ethylene but you got the ethylene to to to bob seeger to george jackson to one bad apple to uh you

That's

know the

where the F1

the jackson

comes in.

five which

Which is really the Osman brothers to

Exactly.

Columbine to Afghanistan to what that is. And, you know, it's how we tie things together with a narrative.

But it can be it can be based on, you know, if I'm basing something.

on bad information it's eventually going to collapse like he can go

Yep.

on for a while right but it's a house of cards well eventually you build it up enough then that house cards

Hendrix,

is going to collapse wow

Hendrix, excuse me while I kiss this guy.

Yeah.

yes

Okay.

i

So I

i heard

got

kiss

that

i

one from my dad.

heard kiss

Ed,

the

left

sky

handed black guy. He's gay.

You know my dad.

oh

Okay.

god

And it's like two fists and holy crap. Where's this going, dad?

He goes, it's right in the lyrics,

son.

Excuse me while I kiss this guy.

Yeah, one

And that

of my

can be a meme. That could be a joke.

favorites

But Brian,

of all time, yeah.

your points are well taken because it's okay if it's entertainment based.

It's okay when it's just a coffee around the campfire discussion.

But when it comes to ruling your life or making a big decision.

Don't go there.

Don't fall for that.

Well,

I yeah,

I really do wish people were slightly more skeptical about things before they started sharing it with everyone they know. And I love the fake walk back later,

like no one ever does the hate.

well every once in a while i see someone who's like hey i shared this uh totally sorry that was bs i looked into it i got called

our

by mistake

favorite

and thank you for calling me but what do people go hey look i know this didn't quite seem but but and then they try to justify all their actions like you didn't learn you

knowing what we

didn't learn

know

it

now isn't that our favorite line knowing

okay it

what we

was

know now

escalated quickly there oh

exactly kill the guy now there's another reason why do we remember those things we remember them because they're earwigs because they

because they follow a pattern and

Yeah.

it's something that's not going to happen in my life

Right.

so I can glam onto it because it's so exotic Brian it's so different that it's fun but we call those exotic different things anomalies right and that incongruent signal that discordant music is what you know makes us turn and look when that glass breaks we turn and look because it's so discordant with the rest of our day that's great

Yeah.

Well,

I think that's probably a good place to sort of end on. I mean, I know we.

we we do have stuff on our for those of you listening we still this far into the podcast that's good we should just say i'll just start random stuff now but we've got we've got more on the patreon side um

Yeah, we do.

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Yeah,

you

if you're going to binge on something,

might as well be us. It's not going to gain any weight,

you know, it's not going to overdose.

What else? I don't know. That's enough.

you're not going to overdose on left of Greg you can't you can't you can't you

You may masturbate feverishly, but you're

the latest

not going to know.

it's going to it's going to be at least the last three or four episodes where Greg's been working in I know what fentanyl tastes like I don't know that's been your common theme

Exactly.

that's

You

been

know what?

your common

That all started out of St.

Louis and the wonderful people on the ground there. And Brian, that's a good shout out.

Wonderful people at Ircote,

yeah

the state of Pennsylvania,

yep

the city of Mansfield.

Mansfield State University,

New York.

Brian and I spent some time

yeah it's gonna over be there good

the last couple of weeks, and thank you, everybody. You treated us, and welcome

very well

us to open up.

We really did.

we

We

did so

really did.

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