Left Of Greg 075 How things spin out of control

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A lot's been happening. Obviously, this is being recorded on Monday morning, June 1st, so a lot of things taking place over the last week, especially over this past weekend, with everything going on in the country. So, I think the overarching theme will be, 'How things spin out of control,' right? I think we'll touch on a number of areas, but I think that's a good place to start in terms of what's going on: How does it get from the flash to bang? Why does this all happen? So, I guess the best way to start is talking about a lot of protests over the weekend, last week, specifically, somewhat related to the death of George Floyd in Minnesota, in the Twin Cities area up there.

Now, here would be my hypothesis: that a lot of the protests and a lot of looting and rioting and all this stuff you see actually has very little to do with that incident. And what I mean by that is, there are some people who are doing what makes this country great, exercising their First Amendment right and speaking out against what they feel is some type of injustice or whatever situation. I am 100% all for that, yes. But I think a lot of what we've seen is more of a spillover. The levee has broken, right? The dam has given way from everything that's gone on in the country the last few months, in terms of the pandemic, people locked up inside, businesses being shut down, unemployment rate, I think, is at 18%, which probably isn't even fully accurate yet, right? And I think at some point, this bubble had to burst, and that's what we're seeing. So, what you'll see is an incident occurs that becomes what people refer to as, 'That's the straw that broke the camel's back,' or 'That's the igniter,' 'That's Mrs. O'Leary's cow that knocked over the lantern,' right? And started the Great Chicago Fire, allegedly, right? Well, whatever that is, that event occurs and then everything combusts. So, why do, how do things spin out of control then, Greg? How do we articulate this and put it in a framework that we can understand?

Yeah, so, I think first for everybody listening, everybody watching, we're going to do nothing to denigrate the good name of George Floyd. We are not going to hold up the police and say, 'This is a group of people that never make a mistake.' But we're not also going to say, 'This is the straw that broke the camel's back, and there needs to be a complete reassessment of every security and police agency in the world.' We have to go back, listen, we're just going to talk about how humans behave under stress. And what happens is, you have a protracted stressful incident that has been chipping, chipping, chipping away against almost every American. I can't imagine somebody that's not, right?

But, let me tell you how this anger can start. A classic case: A cowboy walks into the local market, walks right past the sign that says you need to have a mask on to walk in, walks right by Shelley and I that are wearing our masks and gloves, leans in between us, within the six feet, and grabbed something out of the cooler because he has to go and he just doesn't have time to follow the rules. And you know me, I'm zero to 60, Shelley's saying, 'Leave it alone.' Just like rage builds and then has to go somewhere, okay? My anger manifested itself to rage where I wanted to step and I wanted to do something, but I had an external calming influence. I had Shelley to put it in perspective, but it bothered me for an hour. And even when we went to finish the things that we had in our morning's agenda, at 6:00 in the flipping morning, look, I'm angry now, thinking back about that. 'How dare you, how dare you, sir!' Right?

So, the idea is that George Floyd and this horrific incident that is now polarizing certain people also enabled other people, right? What happened is, a person... quick article, Brian, and I read it because Shelley, our CEO, brought it back and threw it on my desk and said, 'Cogitate on this, Steinmetz.' The idea is, in the article, a local guy here in Gunnison of 6,000 people was talking about having PTSD from COVID. Okay? Alright, listen, you need to take a gigantic step back, and you have no idea what PTSD is like, and with the anxiety attacks that are associated with the abuses and how you choke, so you pray for death because you just can't get into that groove anymore and your life is forever changed. COVID is temporal, of course, and it may never go away, but it doesn't equate, Brian, even if you've lost your house. Listen, people have been foreclosed on before, people have had their cars taken back, people have been out of work. Things have happened like that. You can't then say, 'This is PTSD.' So, it isn't going right.

But then when you multiply this out at a macro level, across an entire, not just country, but world, right? It then becomes, 'Now this is the doom and gloom situation. This isn't just me, this is everyone else, and hey, there's something going on here.' I think that starts to multiply. And you brought up something good, you said, 'How humans behave under stress.' We sometimes, and this is to counter what you just said in a way, we often don't realize sometimes how stressful these situations are for some people versus others, or imprecisely, we might put our own feelings in their shoes.

Yeah, so we're going, 'Alright, well, it becomes that us-versus-them mentality.' And people sitting at home watching on the news going, 'Hey, why the hell are these (people) out here protesting?' And these people protesting are like, 'Look, I've been out of a job for months. This is happening. I'm angry, I'm upset. I don't know what to do. I don't have the coping mechanisms to figure out and make my way through this world, and it's very difficult for me for a number of legitimate reasons,' right? And then you've got other people on the ground, who we're all going to bash all day long, and then, when the house is on fire, call 9-1-1 and say, 'Hey, you go deal with it.' So, they're out here overworked and stressed out trying to deal with the situation, and they've got wives and families and kids.

But you put it in a sense that rage builds. So that builds on each side, right? And everyone gets to rage? For most people, it's just anger and fear and frustration because then they go home and they kick the dog in the window, and they're over-drinking. Take a swing at me... well, what? Why me, guys? I just... I just gave up Brian (Williams) Sunday (joking).

No, no, but that's what you're saying, there's an outlet for that. It has to get out in some manner. Yeah. And if you don't have that, rage is different. So, when it gets to the point of—

(interjecting) But it's parallel, you say? Yeah. But rage, you can't just go home and... rage has to run its course. Find out what works, right? If it's just angry and you're upset, you can do breathing exercises and calm yourself down. If you're at the point of rage, there's no turning back. That has to run its course until that person is either stopped or they no longer feel that emotion of rage.

Correct.

Yes, yes. And the problem here is, and again, Brian, we're going to have to juxtapose the George Floyd case against the rest of the world and everything else that's going on, and it's going to seem like an off-site (irrelevant) in comparison, but it isn't, okay?

So, there's a thing in our country called due process. When we allow a situation that due process, that means that people don't get the right to come up and speak and be heard and have their day in court, okay? So that's a problem with what went on with George Floyd. Whatever happened, and we need to look at the autopsy clearly, but even looking at the video, the level of force seemed non-commensurate. It did not seem to match what needed to happen, and it seemed that there was a high likelihood that other injuries would happen. Now, I know that the autopsy says, 'Hey, listen, it's heart disease, these things, no competing factors from a cervical vertebrae, no asphyxiation,' all that other stuff. What we're not doing is balancing due process on both sides. Folks, stop your protests for a minute and think about, 'Listen, when's the appropriate time to do this and where?' Now, if you went and first complained to the police chief, then you complained to the ACLU, then you complained to the state Attorney General's office, then you said, 'Listen, we want to speak in front of the council, and we want these officers to go to jail, and we want this.' And then there's a process for this, and somebody switched that off and said, 'We're going to go right to burning police cars and looting,' and it doesn't make sense, which is what I would say is right.

So, and I think due process happened in this case, and is continuing to happen, right? It's not over yet. People want this to 'grab him and lock him up.' That's crap from the 1800s where we string him up. We don't do that anymore, okay? We are a nation of law enforcement.

Yeah, I'm saying is, by Friday, that man was already arrested and charged and booked and locked up, right?

Right. So, within days of this incident, which is typical no matter what the incident was, whether it was law enforcement or just someone on the street, it takes days to process, charge, and do everything and go, 'Alright, now we got the guy.' So, rules. So, why? Why then, what's the protest for then?

Yeah, so here's the protest: Remember, we have protests, we have civil disturbance, we have riot, and then we have looting. And it's like a scale, Brian, just like we talked about; escalation is a continuum. It's a continuum with them as well. So, during one of the protests that's being videotaped, our livestream brother watching it — I'm not on his new hip computer, so I'm watching it — and the guy's holding up a sign saying, 'Please forgive my rent debt.' Why was he at the protest, Brian?

Yeah, he had no room anymore.

Yeah, so what forum does he have to speak, right? He made a sign, and he had to (express himself). He went up and he's holding those signs. Now you got Geraldo Rivera, remember the Chicago Capone safe? He goes in and goes, 'Hey, listen, this is wrong and that's wrong.' Stop using somebody else's death to springboard your shitty career. The other thing is, you've got people that are saying, 'Oh, well, this entire criminal justice system is to blame, that this is all...' And the racist antics. Listen, stop, don't fan the flames. Take a step back and say, 'What's going on?' The guy that allegedly done what was allegedly done is in jail right now, and that process is going to take its course. All you're doing is burning down the very businesses and the homes of veterans and people that would be on your side protesting next year, but they had to go cook a sandwich. You're destroying the infrastructure rather than doing, for example, a peaceful protest to sit down. And somebody goes, 'Well, sometimes peaceful protests don't work.' Well, that guy (referring to Martin Luther King Jr., implied), he went all the way to the mat and died for his beliefs. You've got to give it time, Brian. Videotapes don't show everything, but the videotapes were pretty clear. The fast-acting nature of this videotape, that it went viral and people took action right away, is how things get done. And Zoom cameras are going to help that, okay?

But you know what? This is a function of leadership. The leaders and the training that happened in that agency is what caused that ball to start pushing through that crack. There was a crack, and guess what? Something's coming out of their careers here. Here's the thing: there's a shared responsibility. You talk about poor service at that agency, you talk about the prosecutors, you talk about the legislators, you talk about a citizen driving by with the camera that I saw. The other officers that were at the scene. But I'm talking about even just when we go, 'Who's responsible for this?' You've got to remember, yes, we all are. Some more than others, but we all are. If you take that approach that, 'No, I want to go, hey, I don't want police officers acting like that. I want them to get better training.' Bust out the wallet and (expletive) pay for it! Like, I'm sorry, it pisses me off. But like, right there, why didn't they knock on the door? Yeah, knock on the door and say, 'This is (expletive), this has to change!' Well, instead, what they did is they went from zero to sixty and went directly to... Okay, would you agree that a protest has a higher likelihood of antics than just you and I sitting in a business meeting talking? Well, take that away, not you and I. Normal humans do, okay? So, normal humans that are sober talk in the morning at recreation time. But the idea would be that you have a higher likelihood right now there's going to be an encounter with the police. I want you to juxtapose this again, Brian. I'm telling you that in cities where police and the citizens have a better working relationship, where people do ride-alongs, where people show up at their town council meetings, they're not rioting, they're not looting right now.

Do you want to talk about how this gets into rage building and how humans behave under stress like you talked about, because that's how things spin out of control.

Yes, spin out of control.

So, I'll give you a story from this weekend that is no different than how these protests spin out of control, right? I told you about it — I texted you about it, sent your photo. I heard, right outside of where I was, literally where I'm sitting right now, a noise. First, it sounded like he was yelling for a dog, right? So, I poked my head out there, sure enough, he's out there trying to get this young, adorable-looking little pit bull, who is like a pup, running around. So, it's off the leash. So, that's what I hear.

A couple minutes later, I come back up here, start doing some work. A couple minutes later, I hear an argument. Okay, it sounds like it's escalating a little bit. So, I go down there, take a look, and there's people in a vehicle and there's people standing outside the vehicle. And the guy standing outside the vehicle is yelling at them something about the dog, 'I want your driver's license! You're not going anywhere! I want to get your picture! We're reporting this!' He's clearly upset about whatever happened. I didn't see what happened leading up to this; all I saw was this.

So then the situation, he kept going, he kept going. These two women got out of the car; they're trying to de-escalate it, trying, 'Hey, okay, let's figure this out.' He doesn't have this. So then the guy goes, 'No!' And he goes and stands in front of the vehicle. Well, I knew this person driving — I don't know that person, I've seen them before — probably 16, 17 years old, a big kid. And I'm this older man, it's like kind of egging on him. And I'm going like, 'Hey, man, if this kid gets out and hits that guy, that guy's not waking up ever. This kid, just one punch, is going to put this dude down.' So, I'm trying to get down there.

So then the guy walks around the front of the vehicle, and the kid tries to leave and drive around, avoid hitting this man. But he was so focused on his cell phone, staring at it, he didn't notice that the car started moving. So the car bumped him, he rolled off, fell on the ground. The kid gunned it, almost hit another car, and took off. So I'm like, 'Oh, great!' So I go down there, I talk to the women that were out there. They were in the vehicle with him. I said, 'Who was that?' 'That was his brother or cousin or something.' I said, 'Call him, tell him to relax, take a breath, pull over. He needs to come back because everyone's out calling the police and everything,' right? 'And we don't want to turn this into a pursuit or a felony.'

Right, right. And then what happens? And the calculation now he's on the 5 (Freeway) and he's running.

So, here's the thing, police come and show up. And then I showed him photos that I had. The police officer said, 'Look, that guy...' And I told his family members, 'That guy had no right to come up and yell and demand your driver's license or stand in front of your vehicle. He had no right to do that, okay? So, I want you to tell your brother to relax, don't escalate this, because that situation right there just went from an argument over a flipping dog to a felony hit-and-run.' Yes, just like that. And locked down. 'I don't like this kid, they play loud music during the day, my dog was scared,' this... Okay, great. Now this kid's going, 'Look, I got somewhere to be. I'm trying to get out of here. It's not even my dog. Get the hell out of here, old man! What's going on?' Also, all of those tensions escalate, and then now it turns into literally a hit. That kid could be charged with felony hit-and-run. Yeah, I could technically be charged with what? False imprisonment or kidnapping, technically. I mean, right? So, what the heck, over an argument over a dog? So, but now multiply that by, now it's a thousand people out there. Yeah, now there's 50 police officers now looking for a match. Like it was waiting for preparation, that's what I think. Those two things are going to sometimes (meet) at that point. So, I think that's how this occurs, and people want to lash out, man. People want... it's never... it's never, 'I just want to watch.' They say, 'You don't necessarily want your way, you want your say.' But look, yeah, let me go ahead, create a comparison.

Okay, so it was a caper back in my old stomping grounds. A couple of ne'er-do-wells decided that there was a couple that lived up on the hill that had some money, and they were going to get some of that money. So they drove up, they parked, not knowing that there was a camera that was taking a picture of the vehicle, much like today with Ring cameras and everything else. They went up to the door, pulled down their hoods, and forced their way into the house when the door opened. (Like a) newspaper (story), kind of thing. Yeah, they took the husband, took him out, put him in the trunk of the car, took the wife into the kitchen and said, 'Listen, we're going to go do terrible things to the husband' — which they didn't — 'You need to give us your PIN.' So, they drove around with the wife, using the ATM so she could give the PIN, keeping the husband in the trunk so the wife would have an incentive to continue playing ball. But what the two criminals didn't know is that the husband died in the trunk. He had some medical conditions, he was an older guy who was a little bit scared, he was worried about the situation. So now the guy that's with the wife opens the trunk and goes, 'Holy crap!' And they go back, and now they have to kill the woman because she clearly... This is now a homicide. They want to clear up all the different leads. 'Oh my gosh, we've got this. Well, if we kill her, she won't be a witness.' And now you've got a double homicide, a whole family's dead. The kid wants to become a cop, he's got psychological issues, so they threw him off the police department. This case is probably still going on back in Michigan, Brian. It's always something that happens, and when given choices, a person chooses off the menu, okay?

And that situation starts spiraling out of control. In your situation, you had a younger kid, doesn't have a lot of critical thinking skills, has a 6,000-pound vehicle that has a burning fuse. Okay? You have an old man that should know better. They've gotten emotional, that's what I'm trying to say. So now equate that to the officers on the ground, Brian, where people have a legitimate (grievance), okay? But instead of going through the path... And people are going to say right now, 'What do you know about going through the path and doing the waiting?' This has been happening to people for generations, listen, it's been happening to humans for generations and thousands of years, and nobody's fixed it yet. So, shut up, get off your soapbox, get down and try to help. What have you done in your community to fix this? Have you visited the police academy or police training today or asked the chief of police?

Well, that's a big issue of everyone wanting... We're just going to blame. 'Hey, this is because we're humans, we have to point to somebody, don't we? We have to say that the dam broke,' okay, 'and it flooded the village.' We don't go back and say the dam never passed any of the studies and tests it was supposed to do. Do you see what I'm trying to say, Brian? We want to point to one thing that all of us can lean back and go, 'Yes!' I heard right there, speaking with the dam breaking analogy, 'How many of those protestors helped build that dam?' No, they didn't. No, they just showed up. I'm trying to say that... And that's what I'm saying, there's nothing wrong with exercising the rights we have in this country. You have the right to free speech, you have the right to assemble, you have the right to protest, but you don't have the right to loot. But you have to accept responsibility though, because even if you are doing it peacefully, if you're out there, if you decide, 'Alright, I'm going to go be a part of that, I'm going to do this,' you are partially responsible for everything that happened. You just volunteered yourself in. You're part of it, yeah. That's what people aren't realizing. So, it's all about the police response, or the city response, or this, or 'It's their fault.' It's like, no, you got involved the second you said, 'I'm going to go out there and get involved in this.' You are now liable, you are now a contributing factor. You're a contributing factor to everything that occurred, everything. Even if you had no intent. Look, you can go out there and say, 'Oh, I got gas, I got this. I wasn't one of those people throwing rocks or windows.' Yeah, you had no intent. And that other guy did. Guess what? That cop who put his knee on George Floyd had no intent of killing him. I guarantee he had no intent of killing, and he'd done that move 44 arrests before, and nobody ever said anything about it. He probably... That's all the possibility though.

You've touched a psychological and sociological principle that goes along with crowd dynamics. So, when you're in a crowd, you have a degree of anonymity. What the crowd does, the wave, you tend to do. So now, the police response, put up against that, if the people were just trained in pushing back with the shields, are standing in a phalanx, are launching objects into it, then you, as part of that crowd, and as an individual, are gaining an identity and losing an identity. And you're going, 'Time out, you're being mean to me. I'm not the rest of this rabble. I'm, in fact, videotaping it,' or whatever. Now, the cop on the other side is going, 'Look, this is the limit of my training. I'm scared too. I don't want to die here. I saved a baby yesterday, and now you're throwing tear gas back at me?' There was a news feed that came from a Denver news channel, which should remain nameless, yesterday, showed a protester carrying a brick. And a protester was going right up, 'Is that a fuse, that brick?' Okay? Do you get what I'm trying to say? And he's carrying the brick, and the people in front of them, wearing masks, are picking up and lobbing the tear gas canisters back at the police. And the guy's looking at the camera from the news and going, 'Well, what you see here is a peaceful protest, and there's a little bit of anxiety that's going...' If you've got a brick, you're not a peaceful protester. Get out! And if you're not from that town, go home. And if you want to type, 'Dear Congressman so-and-so, this is horseshit,' that's going to get the same amount done, and you're not going to have to rebuild your town. And I know it sounds simpler than it is, but Brian's exactly right: The more sand that fills in that side is going to start leaning down, and then it's only going to take one spark. It's going to take one person saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing. And the National Guard... that National Guard is made up of us. So that National Guard vet that you're screaming at and spitting at his face, lives down the street. He's your neighbor, and next week you're going to be shopping with him. And Brian, what I'm saying is, we have to be careful, and we have to tone down the amount of violence. Rhetoric is okay, and protest is okay. We've got to tone down the amount of violence before something really spins out of control. We already have George Floyd dead. How are we going to remember George Floyd? From the people in North Carolina, or in Texas, or in Philly, that get gunned down during a protest? That doesn't make any sense at all.

No, it doesn't. But you got into crowd dynamics and anonymity, and how our behavior changes. So, it... well, I mean, it doesn't really change, it just becomes amplified, right? We always get cues. Yeah, we get cues, from what I've heard. So, we get our cues a lot from the social context that we're in, right? For human behavior, of how we act and interact with others. We are happy to create some prototypes that we tend to follow because we want to be accepted. Yeah. So, if that's what I'm getting around me, right? So, I'm feeding off of everyone. And there's other, there's other different theories and ideas that go into it. And what people do... Are you more likely to do something with a group of people that you wouldn't do on your own? Absolutely, you absolutely are. You know that you're going to escalate to a place where, 'Man, I had no idea that was going to happen!' This is how many times we say, 'Don't turn the robbery into a homicide,' you know, 'Don't turn...' Yet it happens. 'Don't turn the protest into a riot.' But that's exactly what happens, right?

Before you finish that thought, I want everybody to listen to what Brian just said, and mark your tape on this, and replay it again. Because when so-and-so won the Pennant, they also turned a peaceful rally, which is another way of saying a protest, into burning down a part of the city. When they won the Stanley Cup, the people... Brian, do you think every person there said, 'Hey, let's go burn down this section of Detroit because of this?' No, come on. What happened is the outpouring of emotion means we're already close to our emotional limits. Do you see what I'm trying to say? Whether that's happiness or sadness, we're right there on the edge, and that edge is razor thin, and all it takes is a little shove, Brian. That's all it's going to take, alright? And there's people out there doing that right there. There is a lot of people in those groups, actually, fomenting unrest, right? They're the ones telling people and trying to organize something. And that's the issue. And then how we deal with it is also difficult, from literally policies and procedures (of how to) respond. Because now, I need a question on that point. Listen, have you ever watched the TV show, Cops?

I have.

Okay, so you know of its existence, you've watched it. There's all kinds of variations of it, Live PD has got new ones now today, same thing. So now, yeah, now I'm looking at Brian, based on what you just said. But I'm looking straight at you on FaceTime and whoever else is tuning in. And if you can't see us, imagine a big, ugly, gigantic head staring at you. What I'm going to ask you right now is, do you think that those cops were at their best behavior when they were on camera? And it's actually not. Those cops were thinking, 'I need to be on camera. I want this guy filming me getting Mr. Big. Hey, it's the Josey Wales!' You know, there's a lot of horrible stuff that came on with the cameras. Now, am I calling out journalists? Well, first of all, anybody that has a 'shoe phone' and holds it up is a journalist nowadays. So is your great-grandma; 'I've got a shoe phone!' Sorry. But if anybody out there is getting your news from this, or from Facebook, or from Google, back up. And the other thing is, if you're out there with a camera at one of these rallies and you're pushing that camera around, what do you think your camera wants to show, Brian? Calm? They want to see something! So the guy's on the other end of the camera and goes, 'Hey, here's my five,' you know, 'The Danny Hall, here's my five minutes,' right? And Brian, we're talking about a pressure cooker, and guess what? If you don't take the heat down from the pressure cooker, all them vegetables are going to get fried. And you've got to take a... that's a call for peace, call for an end of these programs. Be brutally honest, usually say anything you want, but not in a violent manner.

Yeah, but people are going to go out there and do it. And the problem is that these cities still have to deal with it, right? So, and I think there's some debate on how to deal with it and what way. Like, you have to protect innocent lives at that point, right? You have to protect. But it's confusing because some people out there who are just protesters are innocent lives. Then all of a sudden you've got this group over here bashing our windows. So, what is your opinion here on that response? Because that's a tenuous situation, meaning sometimes a police response will escalate the situation, make it worse, right? But they have to do something, right? And that's a tough call to make. And it's never...

Well, it's not your call. That's it, that's the point.

No, no, you're exactly right. But it was a hard call to make, meaning that you might come up short. For example, almost all the outcomes are bad. Yeah, right? Okay. But the choice still needs to be made, right? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.

That's what I'm saying is, I think people forget that you, making that choice, you have to... the choice has to be made, and nine out of ten of your choices or the potential outcomes are bad or negative. You get what I'm saying? There's...

I get it. Now, you didn't cause the person making the decision, didn't cause that situation to occur. Everyone who showed up there and started throwing bricks and Molotov cocktails did.

I agree, I absolutely agree. So, for anybody, no, or me who doesn't understand, I would say this: Take a step back and look. I get it, I get it. They're wreck-it Ralphs. My idea to you, Brian, is if you're reading somebody's opinion on this event, and that person has something to... Folks, listen to me, we have nothing to gain, we're not getting paid, we're streaming this free, and this is our opinion-based testimony. We're subject matter experts in human behavior, so you can listen to us, or you can change the flipping channel, okay? We're not asking you to go out and do something stupid, we're asking you to take a step back and look at it. If somebody has something to gain, for example, let's say a political race going on, and one person jumps up and says, 'The way you're handling it is wrong.' Or if a chief of police from another agency that has nothing to do with this caper is going online and saying, 'This is reprehensible and this is wrong.' And if a church leader says, 'This was a long time coming.' Shut off the rhetoric! Walk away from the TV and the radio and go out and take a look at your garden, look up at the sky, and say, 'It's a beautiful day.' We've got a lot of other issues that are horrific that we need to fix. We need to fix COVID. We need to fix the type of apathetic police work that caused the George Floyd (incident). We have to make sure that that doesn't happen again. We've got to create peaceful, transparent communications between our law enforcement (and citizens). Brian, we have to do all of those things, and we can't do that in the Octagon when we're fighting.

But, and people don't understand, look, I barely understand this, and this is all I (expletive) do all day. You get what I'm saying? I probably get it. I'm sorry, I'm kind of fired up over this. It was here last night. So apologize for all the swearing. But these issues are very complicated. But the beauty of it is, everyone wants to paint a picture they want. So a politician's going to say, 'See, I told you they're going to keep doing this to you.' And the other side is politicians, 'See what they're doing? That's what they're going to play.' People are going to look at it through, 'Oh, this is just all about race!' Which I can't stand because you're oversimplifying the issue, right? You're going to dissect it and come up with your conclusion, taking the easy way out, and you're only seeing things through one lens, which is unscientific and one-dimensional. Okay, stop with that crap! Alright, we just watched... How is this one... One you sent me a great article, which we should post over the weekend. Real short one, don't love it, but it nailed it, you know. I was like, 'Yes!' The reading of this, you know, seven times, I love it. But just want to (set) the table. Yeah. But the point of it is, these are things that we've dealt with before, they are things that we've handled before, we are things that we've learned from before. Because the big thing: I watched the press conference in a couple of them. One of the Governor of Minnesota on Saturday morning, some of the others throughout the weekend from Minneapolis, Chicago was one that I watched. And here's the thing: now they've got religious local leaders up there, they have the mayor, they have the police commissioner, all up there going over everything. And they're all black, by the way. So, this clearly isn't about race, alright? Because if you said it was... Well, it's not. Explain that. How do you explain that? And they're all sitting there trying to, 'Hey, work!' You're just working. You tell (us), 'I haven't slept in days!' Right there, they're trying to get everything done. And why don't we just stick to what we have and what we know? And what I'm getting to the point of all this is, we have legal standards, we have legal precedent in our country. So, if you're upset over something that occurred, what law does this fall under? Where have we seen this before? So, specifically to speak to the George Floyd case, the guy is arrested and charged in days, which means his due process, his rights, were followed, were likely followed right now. So, meaning the system, this part of the system, really is working. Okay, this part over here needs improvement. But that's no different than the interview. That's the guy yelling at the flipping gate agent at the airport because his plane is late. Okay, they're doing that, and you're yelling, and you're throwing a brick through a window, right? It's the gate agent's fault that the plane isn't there? That's you. You're the manager. And I think we forget that sometimes because I am adamant, our free speech in this country is better than any country in the world, and it is amazing. And these are the issues that come from having those civil liberties. Yes, right? You can't have it both ways. You can't have unlimited freedom and then say, 'Well, listen, we don't want this in our country.' No, no. They all come together. You have to. And that's the point, there's always two sides of the coin. And you can't have it your way all the time. You can't say, 'Oh, I just want it applied here, but not over there. Over there, no, no, they don't have rights.' Okay.

So, flashpoint, and you're spot on. Absolutely everything you said is spot on, Brian. I don't... I don't do the race card, so I'm not even going to talk about that. But what I will talk about is perceived inequality. Real or perceived, I don't care, because there is no difference. The idea is, if you perceive that you're being treated on a level or in a manner where somebody else is not being treated in that same manner... Yeah, okay, that's hard for us to take. We want to object.

But I'm sorry.

There's a bunch of ways to strenuously object to that without becoming violent. If somebody wanted to light a match and things were going to come out of control... Do you remember the guy that was jumping the subway tracks, and the two cops are fighting with them, and they literally went through the panacea of less-lethal force, and then ended up shooting the guy and stuff? I would have called and said, 'Wait a minute,' because two come to mind for me, Brian. And you're straying off on the emotional, which is the exact right path to take on this. But I'm coming back to the scientific, and I'm coming back to a technical answer here. And it is the fact that when an agency is in a trick bag, it's always a function of their leadership. Their leaders allowed this to go on. And you'll agree that, from what I assume, there's number one on the left, number two on the right, is training changes behavior. And if I was trained to put their knee in the center of a person's back, between their shoulder blades, to control the body from moving and do a handcuffing procedure, they're going to resort to that. If that behavior moved up to the neck and it wasn't corrected by a training officer, leaders, supervisor on the ground, other officers at the scene, it's going to, once in a while — because you roll the dice every time that you use force — but once in a while, something is going to happen bad with it. There's less-lethal force alternatives, there's less-lethal force alternatives, and there's lethal force. None of those were used here, but the amount of force didn't match the situation and probably was a contributing factor, a function of training, a function of leadership. So, leaders should have stepped up and said, 'Mea culpa, I got this. Listen, your concerns are my concerns, we're in this together. The stadium, which is not being used for anything during COVID, stay six feet apart, and on Saturday, not only will we have a vigil for Mr. Floyd that will be in control, but we will stay 'til the wee hours and hear everybody's complaint.'

And I think people were trying to do that because I mentioned the one in Minnesota where I was watching, where it was right after that, the freeway had gotten evacuated. Yeah, trouble came through, and they were like telling what happened. And the whole point of what the guy was saying was, 'Well, we were waiting here on this ramp for the mayor. The mayor said he was going to come down talk.' Which is all good stuff. So the problem is a freeway. That's probably the... whoa, that was a mistake, right? There's places you can do that that are far safer than a freeway and don't impact society. But I get what you're trying to do. And okay, there's an inherent danger there, so someone should be responsible for their actions. But anyway, when you're going to have that, you still have within that crowd dynamic, right? There're still going to be people in there. There's a lot of people probably that feel everything we talked about, right? They feel enraged, they're angry, they're frustrated where they're at. Like, they're frustrated, 'This is about me.' This is directly... always make it about ourselves. But then there's going to be some people in that crowd that are there for a fight. They're there to throw Molotov cocktails, to throw bricks, to get everyone amped up.

Yeah.

What else to do? They weren't doing anything constructive with their day. And guess what? 'I got to see what all this is about.' So, that's what I'm saying. If those groups don't... if they don't self-enforce, because we have seen that there are clips come out of places where people are protesting, and if someone starts to go sideways, and that group reins them in and passes them off to the police, like, 'Nope, he's not with us, get him out of here.' Now, that's part of your responsibility, I think, if you're going out there to do that. And that's what makes these situations difficult. It's like, how many people in this crowd are really legitimately here to exercise this, and how many are here to...

Exactly, right.

And now, 'Hey, Officer So-and-So and Officer So-and-So, go figure that out! Best of luck to you!' Let me ask you a question, Brian. As a Marine, as a veteran, decorated Marine, how much time did your Marine training, how much was about riot control, and how much was about law enforcement, how much was about the rules of law and rules of engagement? Not that I'm talking about inner-city solving crimes, Brian. How much time did you devote to that? And we're asking, 'Hey, we want the military to come in,' and you're going to... you're going to go to the military? You're going to get... they carry guns, and they've got knives at the end of those guns. You see what I'm trying to say though, Brian? What we're doing is we're bringing dry kindling into a fire and saying, 'Okay, let's put this kindling right here.' You know what I'm worried about? I'm no longer worried about George Floyd, Brian, because we have to get back to the grand reopening of our country, and we have to get back to work too. I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about the next incident that happens right now in this powder keg. And that's it, because there's still people holding back, Brian. And not weighing in their opinion, but they're not opening the door and coming out in the street. We can't afford that as a nation.

No, too high right now.

Fighting this pandemic. And we need to get back to the human element here. The... what's the concern here? Is our resources are thin right now, right? I mean, meaning we... there's a lot of fuel just sitting around, right? And so that is the point where someone can go, they can capitalize on this, and they can try and take advantage of that situation for their own personal gain too. And then, well, I mean, this is just internally. Now you're talking about other countries are going to capitalize on that too, just for their own geopolitical benefit, right? They're going to want to go, 'Oh yeah, let's sow more discontent in the United States,' because that's good for us in our economy, because now we're the world leaders and not them. So, I mean, there's a lot of factors involved. So, how is this supposed to work? Why is there so much confusion about not what to do or how to handle it, but how we articulate this stuff, right? I thought it was pretty clear what happened in the Floyd case, and what happened with the officer. There's still going to be a trial. What is the outrage about? And I know, I don't want that to sound insensitive or something, or like, 'Oh, you don't get it, Brian.' It's like, no, look, I do. And I understand where anger and rage and resentment comes from. And everyone has a different life, upbringing, and the community you had, or lack of support within, they all affect it. And there's socio-economic inequalities. Look, life is inherently unfair, I understand that. So, why are we trying to make a system... like it's very difficult to make a system more fair. But what do we focus on as individuals then? You get what I'm saying? Like, I know me, if I'm sitting here at home listening to this, or I'm watching this, or whatever, what am I supposed to do for me and my family and my neighborhood? Because that's really what I can control, right? I can configure my life. You get what I'm saying?

You're not overselling it, you're exactly right.

So, look, okay, you know me, folks, I had no idea about numbers. So, I know that the numbers are probably 35,000 to 55,000 Americans die in our highways every year from traffic accidents that involve alcohol. Alcohol has been around since the dawn of man. Advertising about alcohol is probably in the billions of dollars each year. There's myriad programs that are out there to try to stop you from drinking, to try to stop underage drinking. The idea is, and it's hard, yet the problem persists. Cars have been safer, they'll warn you, and the car's telling you, 'Turn left, don't forget your mail!' And we're still leaving kids in a car seat in the back seat to fry like an egg. So, the problem is that everybody wants the simple answer, and there's not a simple answer. And these mistakes are going to happen, and yes, there's a racist, white supremacist (expletive) cop on the street somewhere. And yes, there's a classic tactic that's still something less, and we're moving forward, but we're always moving. Yes, but listen, Brian, this has created a fumble. This has created some side spiral incidents that our nation is going to have a black eye and we're not going to be proud of. We could use this Floyd case to come together and say, 'Okay, listen, we have problems. There are stress fractures, and we're now going to do something to move that forward.' But Brian, that's not going to start until this ends.

Well, you know, you mentioned earlier, and we say it a lot on these, that people want their say, not necessarily their way. And these demonstrations, riots, protests, whatever you want to call them, or whatever it starts out as and ends up as, I think is an excellent example of that, is people want to have their say, not necessarily their way. Like we want to lash out, we want to get angry, we want to voice our opinion, we want to say, and another thing, and we want to go off, right? So, that's part of the reason why we allow people to do that, right? Is to let that steam out, because sometimes after you do that, okay, maybe that's all I needed to get through this incident, or maybe I just needed to reflect upon it, you'll feel better.

Maybe you feel better. But some people want their way. So those are the people that are different. The crowd always... we have to watch that. And I think that determining those people who want their say and who want their way is important for everyone, not just for police and how to deal with it, but for people attending that event, if you feel like you want to go to something like that. For people watching it on the news, for the flipping news media who reports this stuff. They only see one side, they only see them in the crowds with the cameras. I never see them right behind the line of policemen getting pelted with rocks and Molotov cocktails and bricks and all that. I don't see that. And I don't see an objective, 'Hey, what...?' It's never objective. So, how do we do that? How is me watching all this and taking all this information in and seeing stuff on TV and reading it and seeing the crap people post on Facebook, how am I supposed to be educated?

I think it is the stuff. It is the stuff that you watch on a commercial to start, you watch on that news story, the headline that you're reading affects you viscerally, just as if you were in the moment on the ground there. And so you have to say, 'Mea culpa,' you have to say, 'I am responsible for the things I control.' You also have to hold other people responsible. And editorials are a good way to do that. Another way is to send an email to your local news feed and say, 'Shame on you for cutting in on broadcasting only to show the bad street violence that's happening with the barricading of the roads.' That's wrong, Brian. Where's the balance there? Where's the equal balance, okay? You know, we want to talk about the first responders and, 'Wow, thank you so much for all these.' And 'one bad apple spoils the whole thing,' and 'we throw the baby out with the bathwater,' and right back where we started. That's a responsibility of sending the message the wrong way. Those titillating headlines, that clickbait that we can't stop looking at, right? Then call them and say, 'Shame on you.' Turn off your TV, go out, get some fresh air. Brian, I would have loved to go to Denver and do the protest. And you know that we had to travel with Denver this week. I would love to be there in their protest, but I'm too old to get tear gas, and I'm too old to have to fight for my life with the kid next to me that doesn't even know what he's fighting for, Brian. And that's not the type of rally that I'm going to likely attend. Talk to your lawmakers, talk to your senators, talk to your (representatives).

You know, I don't want to do that. I just want to post on Facebook and share a bit.

Playing, 'Kiss my ass,' because, don't you understand that? Please understand that that's not going to change anything but the opinions of the people that are already tuning into your horseshit.

Right, right. And so, you know, I kind of want to go back to, because you're talking about it in here, and you did make the comment, 'You know, these events, they polarize some, but they enable others.' Yes, and that's an interesting dynamic. What do you, what do you mean when you say that? Like, 'Okay, so I'll make it real quick.' How do you know Terry Nichols? The Nichols family.

Oh, yes. He's with Tim McVeigh.

So, they had a different way of looking at the world, Brian, and seeing things. And almost everybody told them, 'Tim, come on.' But a couple people said, 'Right!' I believe the Michigan Militia even at one point said, 'You got it, hey buddy.' And so what happened is a bunch of people that said, 'Alright, we want our say and our way,' then formed a cabal. And when I say a bunch of people, remember, three or more, it takes people to riot by definition. Do your homework. Now what you have is a cabal of these people, Brian, and they're engaged in what they think is the right answer. And they look back to things like, for example, the Boston Tea Party. And again, folks, (expletive), don't go breaking down every word and go, 'Well, here's the race is linked to this and that.' If you want to find the Magna Carta, give a monkey a typewriter. Soon enough, enough monkeys, you're going to have a script to a Shakespearean play. You can find anything you want to make. I'm saying, come off the rhetoric, come down, back up a little bit, and take a look at the big picture and go, 'Wait a minute, we can fix this.' Look, if your police chief blows, vote them out. If your mayor blows, vote them out. If your governor isn't doing the right response to the protest that you're seeing in your area, vote them out. That's what, that's the magic that we have. That's how you change things. You don't create... for example, 'But I want it right now!'

I know, I know. I knew you were going to say that, you bastard. Thank God you're in San Diego.

The House and the Senate. I've been to the Rayburn building many times. They're supposed to work together in our best interest. But what do they do? 'You got voted in, so I'm going to just drag my feet and screw you.' If you think this bill is going to get fast, folks. And all of that, and the way that you end that is throw them out, okay? And I tell you what, you start throwing out the right people at the right time. Right now, most people right now, they're worried about their kid getting back to school, their stimulus. Is my grandmother okay? Brian, we have to put my mom in a home, right? It's a death sentence. So that's the real issues that we should be solving.

But that day, I would say that they probably are. So, how much of this, and how many people are involved, and how much of this situation can be contributed to the fact that a lot of people have a lot of time on their hands right now? I mean, yes, that's another contributing factor, Brian, because with nothing else to do, I'm much more inclined to go. And isn't it ironic that the face masks that those same people weren't wearing at the store when I was yelling at them, they're now wearing it during the protest because they don't want to get rolled up, they don't want to get arrested by the cop. So I wouldn't wear it when I was in the...

It's a... Yeah, it's a pain in the ass to wear in the store, but, 'Oh, we're going to riot? Make sure I got mine. I got one in the pocket, so if I have to change...' Yeah, no, I get that. And I think that's part of a contributing factor. And I know there's some folks following along on Facebook Live right now. We have their interest. Well, as always, my buddy, Link, is on there, just giving me compliments, which I appreciate.

Compliments? I didn't think we got those.

No, but it's about my hair and beard and stuff like that. So that's creative.

Typical, typical, typical Navy man.

No, but actually, Pres brought up a good point. He's following along, said, 'You know, regardless of whether the rioters are showing up for their say or their way, the power of the mob mentality can consume you if you're not hyper-aware of the potentiality of rapid escalation of violence.' And that goes back to exactly the story about that I just told over the weekend about the dog and some argument over neighbors that literally turned into a felony hit-and-run. Okay, this is exactly how these situations escalate, which is why I wanted to go down there and get involved. It's the same thing. It's like, 'Whoa, how do you de-escalate?' Because people forget, at each point, as that raises, the level that it could raise to next increases, right? So, a peaceful picnic on the beach, probably not likely to escalate very high. Now, a demonstration, that's going to escalate even higher. Now someone picks up and throws something, now that connects the degree, that threshold, and higher, as the number of people increase.

Listen, the profile of the humans, and thanks, miss you, buddy. The profile of your computer, the profile of your neighborhood, the profile of the groups you hang with, the profile created by the bumper stickers you put on your car. And people hate the word 'profiling,' but we do it in every advertising, we do it in every facet of every single profile, every... I want you to look at the people that you hang around with, yet you suspend that group when you've now gone out into a crowd with all these other groups. Yes. And maybe, guess what? Maybe homophily will occur, and all of a sudden these aggregate groups will form, and they'll be a greater... And, hey, listen, we all are messaging. When we sing, we are loud, and we sing together. What happens is, you get thrown into this bowl, and every once in a while, a boulder, you know, a bolt in a nut, in the popcorn brain. And all of a sudden, you're going to break a tooth. We can't likely control all of that. So the idea is to do your free speech and do your peaceful protest, but be prepared that peaceful goes to violence so quickly, you're going to be caught up in it, and you're likely going to be at Ground Zero. So my advice to people is have your say the proper way, and certainly do not show up at these because you may be at Ground Zero when things go bad. I'm using X as the area on the bullseye at the X. And guess what, Brian, if you're there with your kids, like one of the pundits that always talks about them said, 'Listen, how dare cops use the tear gas and rubber bullets!' Again, would somebody send me one, because I haven't seen one, and I was a cop for 27 flipping years! But she said, 'How dare you use tear gas and rubber bullets when there's kids in the crowd?' Who would bring kids? What? You see what I'm trying to say? So, back on the dial with the rhetoric a little bit. Let's look at the situation for what's going on. If you're protesting on a freeway, trying to cross a road, close a road. It's like them, they're watching, I forget what it was, where they're planning some heist at the Waffle House, right? And they're all in there, and the guy shows up with his wife, and they're like, 'Who? Who brings your wife to the Waffle House when we're planning a crime?' 'What? Oh, she loves to eat!' It's... That's the point, is like, the reason, whoever the person responsible for those children getting injured... Parents. I just like want to punch myself in the face right now. Your kid, the same. You got a kid? If you don't have a kid, go get a kid. (We probably should say no to that.) But if you don't have a kid, you need to sit around the kitchen table, if you have one, and you need to put away the video games and everything. You need to talk about this incident. And you have to say that, and this other thing that's saying, 'Hey, listen, because I'm wearing a blue jacket today, or I'm wearing this or that, that means I'm saying something that I'm willing to pay for my life.' Now, the average officer out there is trying to do his Monday through Friday, 9 to 5, make off-duty roll call, and hopefully I've retired. I wouldn't know what that's like. But you know, they're human beings just like you. So, people are bringing it up right now, as we're streaming this live to Facebook, and it speaks directly to the point I made earlier, because they're talking about specifically the Floyd case and saying, 'Hey, you know, we wouldn't have heard about it if...' Actually, my buddy Dan's texting right now, 'Hey, I got an extra kid if you want one!' But, thank you. 'You never would have heard about it if Floyd was white, or what if the cop was black?' And that speaks exactly to my point of taking race out of it, and looking at these situations for what it is. We just talked about, we did the whole Ahmaud Arbery case. And again, take race out of it, it was still wrong, it was still a crime.

Everyday circumstances are exactly...

Well, that's my point. If you take that out, from a scientific and legal perspective... You and I were part of a caper, Brian.

And I'm the study meeting, do your homework, not at the scene.

Where a couple of officers took it on themselves, said, after pummeling the guy in a jail cell, one of them looked at the other one and said, 'You know what we're going to do to this guy, because we hate him so much? We're going to rape this guy.' And how are we going to rape him? 'We're going to use a broom handle and a plunger handle.' And they did this to this guy until the guy died. Now, does it matter what color anybody is in a situation? Where does that much hate come from? How the hell do you get motivated to look around the room and say, 'I wonder if that'll fit in this guy's ass?' Now, listen to me, like a weekend with you, that may have happened during your Shellback days. But the idea to you folks is that you can slow this down in your community. And for anybody that says, 'We wouldn't even known about it unless they brought it up,' listen, people put the mustard at eye level. (You want to) sell your mustard, right? Once news media gets funded and doesn't have to be incentivized to have commercials for pay, you're probably going to get a good read on it. But nobody wants to do NPR, nobody watches PBS. This is rhetoric, it's horse crap. You've got to back off of it. I'm sorry, this guy's dead, and police do need reform. But you need to go, 'What is police reform?' And take that flashlight and search it out, not just say, 'Everybody back off, no violence,' whatever. That's, it's a ridiculous standard, Brian, and we should not contribute to that ridiculous standard.

No, and I think it does. You know, you brought it up, like it talks about, 'Well, a lot of the reasons why people say they're out protesting, saying this, is like, 'Oh, it's in the memory of him.'' It's like, no, now the memory of George Floyd, the memory of Ahmaud Arbery, is now being tainted by all of this. It's now being... it's now...

One by one action, he's going to fix it.

You're now ruining what his family... this is now what's going to come from this, this is what his family, their families have to remember. And that's horrible. It should be the opposite. It should be, 'Hey, look at what we learn from this. Look at how we've changed. Look at the way we can heal. Look at the opportunity this man's death gave us as a nation to revisit stress fractures that exist among states.' And I think people forget when you deep dive in these cases, or we talk, we do case studies and stuff all the time, and we talk about them all the time in class and on podcasts and different (platforms). And it's not to... it's to learn from it. It's to go, 'Look at what we took away from this.' And to keep them... What's the whole... You know, the Amadou Diallo shooting, like, it was a horrible, horrible tragedy. But what has changed? His death may have led to saving countless other lives because it changed the way things were done, right? So, let's put it in a positive way. And it's a big country, there's still mistakes, dude. There are still people that leave an agency, and because of human resources law, go on to another agency, and they were (bad) then, and they're going to be (bad) now. Mistakes happen. This... you know, this was a mistake, not a homicide, and it certainly wasn't an intentional murder. And there's nobody that can change my fact on that. Was the guy stupid? Did he engage in some conduct that was reckless? Yes, of course. And he's going to come to the mat for it, you know. But let's not go to ridiculous extremes with everything. To do that, that's where we get crappy case laws, and the Supreme Court will fix that. So, what are the... what's next with all these? I mean, this is going to continue in some areas, right? We're going to continue to see this. But I'm like, well, if we can open things back up and get people back to work, and get people focused on what matters, and being a contributing member of society, I think it's... it's like that. How much of this is going to go away? How much are people going to walk away when I've talked about the grand reopening strategy? You and I know people that have plans, and we're fully endorsing those plans. The idea is that putting people back to work is the right thing. But money never solves anything. So the stimulus checks are a great idea, but just paying off everybody's debt... there's people out there that don't need their debt paid, there's people out there that are shitty, risky people in the best of circumstances. My thing is, we need to focus as a nation on the pandemic, and we need to solve that, or we're going to be just exactly like we were 25 years ago, 20 years ago, 12 years ago, when people were saying, 'Well, we're fighting a war on two fronts, we're in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now the President wants to take us into Syria.' Brian, we're either going to do a couple of things very well, or we're going to do a dozen things, and it's all going to fall apart. How do you want it? What do you want tomorrow to be like? That's what I'm saying, everybody. Call your little wristband, 'What would you do? What would Jesus do?' What do I want my tomorrow to look like? What am I going to hand off to my kids?

Well, that's it, is I think personalizing it is in a number of ways, right? And you have to think, because we see different cases, or people at different discussions about what they would do, or 'I was in there, I would have done this.' It's like, great, I'm not Monday morning quarterbacking anyone. What I'm saying is, it's not just self-serving, it's one of all people.

But what I mean, what I'm saying is that at an individual level, right? If you're going into somewhere, can you... are you escalating the situation, right? Because I could go in, 'Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.' Well, that's the thing. If you contribute to the violence, if you go into anything — I don't care, any situation, just the altercation I witnessed right up from my house over the weekend, which apparently really moved (me). Well, it was... I just saw it. You got the videotape, you know. You're sitting there watching it, knowing how it's different. And if you go, and if what you're doing escalates the situation, you are now partially responsible. You don't get to sit there and go, 'Oh, I didn't.' If you're a cop standing there watching it go on and you did nothing, your inaction enabled the situation. You're exactly right.

Did anybody on Facebook write in and mention you and I are wearing the same shirt?

Let's go down there. I don't know if he can tell on yours. I think is that a...

Boy.

Now, it'd be a little editing. The lighting might be a little different the way the screen...

My nipple clamp is getting caught in your jacket.

Yeah, exactly. Sorry. But no, yeah. Brian, that's the thing. And I don't want to make light of it, but the idea is that people are our own worst enemies many, many times. And here's one where we're going to always... Right. My thing is, we are all like, the beauty of where we're at, especially in the United States and around a lot of other countries in the world, is we are always going to be our worst enemy. I'm 100% convinced of that. But that's a good problem. It comes with transparency, it comes with free speech. That means we're too worried about someone coming over the walls every day and taking our stuff. Like, no, we're our own worst enemy. So, trying to try to invade us, we don't have an occupying force attempting to come into our country, meaning we're very safe here. And what was that?

We right now there's a guy from a Mongolian BBQ in Denver, 'Go, you filthy bastards!' Yeah, yeah.

But you know, in Afghanistan, I had a bench with you. I had a bunk with the Mongolian Air Force. Do you remember that? That was amazing. Okay, right. And of course, the only questions or comments now are asking if we're wearing pants and asking us to take our clothes off. So, of course not. See how these things rapidly divorce or a brick kill the guy with the...

Try...

Yeah, but I'm going to talk to you about that. You're going to want to lay low for a while. So, I think just from a personal standpoint, it's like, 'Look, I am my own worst enemy. We are our own worst enemies.' How do you make mistakes? Where are the answers? Humans are inherently flawed. Take it in stride, fix it, don't allow those situations to occur next time. And let's go. Alright, well, I think unless you got something else to add, that might be a good spot to kind of wrap for the day. I thank everyone for tuning into the Facebook Live, and then I'll release this recording tomorrow morning. But thanks for tuning in, everyone. Greg, if you don't have anything, then training changes.