Left Of Greg 067 Everything you didnt hear about because of COVID 19

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Are we both this tired? It's been a long week. That phone call... You've shown up, though. It's already in progress, so we're just going to get started then, about everything you're not hearing about during this pandemic. So today is our COVID-19 talk, and it's just for everyone listening, it's Friday, April 10th (as we're recording this). We're going to discuss the things that have been going on that you haven't been hearing about in the news, which are just obviously there's plenty of it. We're just going to hit a few of them. So Greg, I'm going to go ahead and start.

Please do.

We'll start, and remember, I'm wearing the Aloha Friday attire today. But on Tuesday, March 31st — so this is a couple of weeks ago that you're listening — a train engineer, Eduardo Moreno, drove a locomotive at full speed off the end of the rail tracks at the Port of Los Angeles near the USNS Mercy hospital ship. So the Navy hospital ship had just showed up there in LA and just got in there when he did this.

The train crashed into a concrete barrier at the end of the track, smashed through a steel barrier and a chain-link fence, slid through one parking lot, and then a second lot filled with gravel, and hit a second chain-link fence. I think it also hit a couple of unoccupied vehicles as well. He's been trained by Amtrak. It came to rest after passing under a ramp leading to the Vincent Thomas Bridge.

Moreno admitted to crashing the train intentionally. He said he did not plan the event in advance, and it is at this time believed that he acted alone. It is still believed that he also allegedly made statements to a CHP (California Highway Patrol) officer that included, "You only get this chance once. The whole world is watching. People don't know what's going on here, now they will."

Officials say the video from this is my favorite part: video from inside the train's cab shows Moreno holding a lighted flare during the entire incident. He wanted to look like the Statue of Liberty apparently, while he was doing this. Which I just imagined him wearing a T-shirt that says, "Ask, gas, or grass. No one rides for free."

He believed that he was suspicious of the Mercy and believed it had an alternate purpose related to COVID-19, such as a government takeover. Moreno, this is how you would do it: very slowly, only a little bit at a time. That's the best way to launch a surprise attack. Moreno was charged in a criminal complaint with one federal count of train wrecking. I'll get to that one in a minute, which carries a sentence of up to 20 years in federal prison, because that's the actual charge, which I was fascinated by, which I did more research on, which actually goes back to federal law. I thought train wrecking, that can't be an actual charge, and it goes back to federal law, and then it goes... But it was a U.S. Code. Where is it at here? Sorry, I had it all up.

But anyway, this is "any circumstance describes subsection [unintelligible] with lawful authority, permission, wrecks, derails, sets fire to, or disables railroad on track equipment or a mass transportation vehicle," and it goes through a whole litany of other things.

Nothing, most of that wasn't terrorist related, Brian. No, union fights, those type of things. Those flippin' kids from Chicago, "You want to trade, you guys?"

Yes, look at those laws, it comes right from peanuts.

"Maren, put it."

But again, it goes into "in prison for not more than 20 years." But it's interesting, it was kind of, that whole federal law became an addendum to a bunch of other things which goes back about a hundred years almost. I mean, in two states, because you have state laws and different, basically people arguing, "Well, isn't there already enough state law that if this occurred?" And then there was an issue about a hundred years ago out in California where they had to deal with a train derailment that was obviously done by someone who knows about the railroad. So then they kind of had to cover it up. So then federal had to come in and say, "Yeah, exactly." They had to do it. So that was actually an interesting legal background if anyone wants to do that. But the actual same thing was, you go farther back for the California state law that said the same thing: anyone unlawfully throws out a switch, removes a rail, places obstruction, anything to do with a train can actually... If you kill anyone, if anyone dies in that, you are... that's a death penalty case right there. And if no one dies, you can do life without parole. It's technically a charge.

So it's like Dodgeball: if nobody dies, you can bring somebody else. I think that's what it is.

So that was that was the legal statute behind it. I just thought it was interesting that it said he was charged with actual train wrecking. But one article, I did find one article, Greg, that said he was part of a Facebook group that discussed train incidents, train wrecks, and stuff like that.

So, the infamous Lionel H. Page Crew they call them. Their street sign is "The Age." Do you like the LGB Crew?

Exactly. Which was the original LGB. That's the train crew versus the HO scale versus the N scale. Those guys hate each other.

They hate each other. Yeah, absolutely. You keep the sign of the track when they're together.

Yes, exactly.

So this is such a stupid story, folks. If you wonder why we're laughing, it's that this guy and his normal critical thinking goes, "Him in a train, it's a boat." I mean, pardon my language, but that's exactly the limit of the analogy of this attack. You wonder.

Cool, boy.

Right. And that's why I brought up the whole Facebook group, because this guy said, "Hey, he's obviously what people call a conspiracy theorist or someone who lacks logical thinking." We don't. I know a few Flat Earthers out there and other type folks, but it didn't surprise anybody on the fray. So, listen, this is a good thing. Brian and I share with you our advice, and it's not worth anything, but it's worth what you paid for it, for free. We're not knocking on your door and telling you, "If you take a look at anybody that has a manifesto, you're in trouble." I didn't want to hold your thumb over the other one.

But this is another thing, Brian. If you go on Facebook and on whatever, I have no social media, other than this, but if you go on and you start posting stuff that has damage to it, like, "If I'm going to take a hammer, go next door and kill you," you've got to tell somebody about that stuff, because normal people don't have that. My mom used to say, "Man, if Jeff comes home late one more time, I'll kill him." Well, I knew by context the relevance of that statement. There was a very low level that she was actually going to physically kill him. But if you hear somebody go, "Hey, listen, I work on a train, and I swear to God, I'll drive that train," so that's a little bit of it. Wouldn't you agree with me, Brian?

Right. No, no, no, that's, that's, it's, it's, you can, when all of the cues are put together, right? So he's a train group, and then what I thought, "Oh, right, he's, so he's in the group that's fascinated to, here's a fascination with train crashes," but that in itself means nothing, right? If you're a... No, no, no, just so you know, they may walk by behind you at any moment, because the ones building the train sets with no pants on, Big Mike and Dirty Mike and the boys.

Yeah, Soup Kitchen. But they have the railroad sign, right?

So he has an inner group that's fascinated with that type of stuff. But, you know, it's like, it's like a structural engineer who's fascinated with building collapses or something, you know what I mean? Like, it's part of maybe your job or whatever.

Yeah, but we just want to know where he was on 9/11.

9/11, right, right, right. So now you couple that with anything that he's saying on Facebook, and then you couple it with what he said to the officers when they got there. I guarantee he's made statements, he's obviously made statements.

Precisely so. And to his closest buddies, and over breakfast, and all that other stuff. And what happens sometimes, Brian, because again, we have such a fragile ecosystem that we never, we never think in context of, "Does he mean this? In his world, what's he thinking?" Today, we're so self-centric that the first thing that we think of is, "How does this information impact me? I'm likely not to be on that ship. I don't ride with him on the train, so he's just kidding." Do you understand how quick that we miss that? Because our survival has been, our survival has been because we haven't been challenged in our environment. Now, all of a sudden, something like COVID comes along, and H1N1, Bird Flu, all the other stuff. And then, all of a sudden, we're surprised by it. Friend, we can't get people to floss to save their teeth. We can't get somebody to wash their hands for 20 seconds. So when they sat there listening to that comment, they were already concentrating on how they were going to answer rather than going, "Wait a minute, what did he just say?" And sometimes, we've got to slow time down, and we've got to look at that. We've got to look. I mean, it wasn't a veiled threat, Brian. He was pretty explicit when he said it.

So the next question, what was the likely song he was listening to? Was it like Jeff Beck, "Train Kept A-Rollin'"? Was it Grateful Dead? Was it "I Can't Drive 55" with Sammy Hagar?

What I'm trying to say, and he was probably playing... I got him before he lit the flare. You'd probably play it like an air guitar.

Well, I'd be with a flare in there like that, that just, you know what I mean? That, that, I love it. But anybody could have done that.

What is it, "Runaway Train"? You know what I'm trying to say? It was a downer, downer situation.

I think I'd like to think it was like Casey Jones or Jeff Beck or something like that. Just "Train Kept A-Rollin'." Horrible.

Also, a counterpoint to this: just a few days earlier, the nutcase — apologize, folks, that's a clinical term — that threatened to bomb the church or the emergency room.

Oh yeah.

What happened there was only a couple of days before this, Brian, right?

President had been said that the loonies were coming out.

Oh yeah. He's come from lunatic, comes from the moon. People thought that the moon was involved, that's why we have werewolf movies. There's a whole subset of stuff, a genre of a podcast we could do on there, Brian. And what happened is it hit these guys, and they thought it was the right thing to do. One, at a place that was treating COVID patients, and one, at a very slow-moving, laborious tanker that was coming into the harbor.

First of all, he should get an applause just for the timing. Do you know some kind of math or engineering?

Well, yeah, and just, I believe that fortune favors the bold, but who's going to... But just think about that, all right? "Guys, I'm going to ram a train into it." The chances of that... Has that ever occurred in history?

Has anyone ever been able to look at the elephants? He's looking at the... The guy comes up and goes, "Hannibal, we got a train." Do you remember that? I can't remember what grade that was in. He came up and tried to sell him on a train, and Hannibal goes, "No, we'll save the train, there's not enough boats." There was some kind of conversation, "Is the president on that?" I don't... It's called, it was called California versus the James Gang or something, and I don't mean the James Gang that fought the music, I mean Jesse James, those guys. So that was a, so that, that was, I think like you just said, right now the FCC is typing, "Arcadia, that's right." The loonies will run about.

Yeah, yeah.

And this type of situation brings them out. Brian, listen, less than 12 hours ago, two women who had purchased their lunch and were going to eat lunch together, even though all the bands, walked in to get the silverware that they'd forgotten, not at the restaurant where they purchased their lunch, but at a completely different Greek restaurant that was doing carryout only. And they went in and demanded napkins, forks, and knives. And when they weren't given the plastic tools, they beat the hell out of the two people that were there, a poor old man and a poor old woman, scattered food all over the place, and then left. Okay.

But here's my thing: somebody out there, some psychologist right now, and trust me, COVID is bringing the frauds out, all you got to do is take a look around on Instagram. I don't know Instagram, that's as bad as everywhere. They will link this to being kept up with COVID. No, those people are asshats. They were looking for any excuse. They're so self-important that they wouldn't walk back to where they got their food. They came into your store. No, no. The stuff we have to protect against, because our defenses are lower because of COVID, because we're so centrally focused on this virus, Brian, we're missing their peripheral. We're too down and in, we're not looking up and out.

But they said it's, it's, it's this, which your clinical term, this brings the loonies out then. That's right.

Right. But it does, because this now sets up a situation where they go, "See, I told you, I was right. Five years, they were going to first thing you're going to lock, they're going to keep us cooped up, then they're going to take our guns, then they're going to wear my hat with the, it's going to have the tinfoil inside." Yeah, it's so, so it's, if you already are thinking that way, this confirms your illogical fears and suspicions, and lack of, well, people posting, "This is, viruses are just a theory." I was like, do you understand the definition of what a theory is?

Okay. So a good friend of ours, Brian, a good friend of ours, is still manning telephones, and a person called and said, "Hey, listen." During the conversation, which was an aggressive conversation anyway. You can tell if someone has a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for an opportunity to lash out. They're angry, they're just angry. Don't drive angry. And so, during the end of this brief conversation about, "I can't do anything for you, everything's closed," and remind me about the tension around here lately, and all of a sudden, the person says, "Well, as soon as this is over, we'll go back to the normal. I'll call you." And it was like, "It's a virus, it's never going away. Now that it's here, it's going to be here forever. We're going to have to manage it." And the person was like, "What are you talking about? When this goes away, it's not going to end." Then the fight ensued. "Let me talk to your supervisor!"

Don't throw facts into a perfectly good story. Because I insulated myself with ignorance. I've surrounded myself with enough horse crap that I'm safe, that I feel safe. I've lined my walls with aluminum foil because now I feel a little bit better, and I'm willing to take on your science by coming up with a harebrained theory and ramming a train into a boat.

So let's kind of get into, because again, I think that's a good summation of why those things occur, is that this is when worn by nutcases.

Yeah, yeah.

But that's the thing, those people are looking for something. They really are.

They have a chip on the shoulder. And they're going into a situation, "Look, if you look for trouble, sooner or later, you're going to find it." And so this sort of retroactively allows their behavior. It informs where they're coming from, Brian, by them saying, "I told you so!"

And it's not, not. So let's just, let's get ahead of everyone, because everyone again is so down and in. Let's look up and out at the second, third-order effects of everything that's going on, and some of the things that we're going to see, one we're already seeing, and two we're going to continue to see due to everyone being on lockdown, people not leaving their cars.

So one, we've got domestic violence rates increasing. There are stories out about that, but we know that's going to happen anyway. There's other, like drug smuggling is decreasing because of travel restrictions, which does what? It increases the price, or lowers the supply so it increases demand, or increases the price of those illicit or illegal drugs on the street. So what happens when the price of drugs goes up? Well then there could be an increase of violence from scarcity. There's also...

There has to be an increase of violence. I would add looting and breaking into places like pharmacies, a veterinary clinic, to supplement my drug habit. "Hey, if I need some kind of oxy, I'm going to go to wherever it might be."

But in some crime areas, I would think things like burglaries, home invasions, street crime, that's going to go down, obviously, because one, if you can't...

People are out.

Yeah, but, well, that's here. I would say that's more so in developed countries like us. I think in poorer countries, because of what's going on, I think there might be more, because people have less. They have less access to care, they have less access. So you're actually might be more likely to get robbed because your neighbor doesn't have a job and they're just going to come and steal from you. But I think so it might affect things differently. But just another different way to look at our second, third-order effects.

Two, there are big national ones. Our buddies back in the Gulf, Saudi Arabia, announced a ceasefire in the war against Yemen, I think a couple of days ago, but that's been going on for five years, which somehow lines up with the time when we were just over there. So the 150-member everything.

Exactly. For Newman, he's right there. John, RP, of Arabia, is right there like this every once in a while.

Probably at the banal geeking out over there, looking over the wall. Exactly. And you could tell only because there's no hair. Interesting one I found, Greg, seismologists have been able to hear the Earth's natural vibrations more. That's kind of cool.

They could do it if they were here after any meal. They could do it just by looking at their test cathode rays or whatever it is to my chair. So because there's less movement, less everything. Cleared up now.

Right. LA. That's the thing.

Do me a favor, look over your shoulder. What does this guy look like where you're at? Whoa.

Right now, it's been, it's been pissing rain in here for a few days. So, but yeah.

Pinelli looks like it dried up, though, from what I'm seeing. Folks, if you haven't watched the YouTube version, it adds a whole weight.

Well, there's two reasons.

Oh, Brian, hold on, just one space right here, a little spiral. Scientifically, folks, you have to understand that the reason we work so hard in class and on a podcast and doing the lessons learned, to get you to zoom in and see it on YouTube and these other social formats, is because visual to remember and see something is much better than audio. Now, we don't want you to tune out of audio, of course you can do that, but listen, you've got to sometimes see it to be it and to remember it.

For communication, I mean technically, simply video. Like, from memory, it's because we're putting something on. I don't want people to get confused with reading a book versus listening to the book. It's the same thing, or actually people say actually listening, if it's just words, you might actually pick up more, because writing and reading has only been around 10, 20,000 years, you've been hearing everything before that. But when we're putting on a visual format, having that conversation, how much communication is considered nonverbal? Not the words. I mean, it's, depending on what you read, 70, 80, 90 percent sometimes.

And you have to remember, everybody that's listening, when you see an image, when Brian and I post a photo, when we put something up, the pixels go to your brain, and your entire back of your head is your visual field, and it makes a more robust memory. It makes you remember. Look, we're looking for order in chaos. That's why somebody called you and said, "Jesus is on my piece of toast," because we see a face on Mars, we see those things constantly around us, because our brain is constantly trying to make order out of the chaos, and that's where pattern recognition comes in. So every once in a while, a joke is missed because we're doing some ridiculous sight gag. But further, if you're going to try to remember something, make sure you look at it, see it, smell it, taste it, read it, feel it. The more senses involved, the better your memory is going to get. Sorry, I did digress.

No, it's, it's, we'll continue with what else has been happening due to the COVID response. I found an interesting one: demand for jigsaw puzzles is surging.

Okay. Now, do you remember the Irish Jigsaw Famine of 1938? The Dutch wooden shoe famine and the jigsaw famine, I don't know if they were related, Brian, because I haven't been to the Netherlands often, but those things...

It's coming back. Everything old is new again.

You think?

Well, that's the thing, things returned. So that does not surprise me. People now being cooped up. I would, what would a jigsaw... if you've never used it, it looks like that.

That's a character from the movie Saw.

Right, exactly. Haven't seen that, thank God. But it's a very fine blade that allows you with the handle, while you're sawing into the wood, to make these turns and everything. So, I thank God because there were a couple of jigsaw guys who were about to go under, Brian. I'm just telling you, he brought them back, brought them from the brink of ruin. So, for a silver lining to the cloud, but people are cooped up.

I actually just had an interesting conversation, so we're going to have it on the podcast next week, it'll be a good one, but he actually brought up a good point. He said, "Yeah, imagine thinking back to when we were kids, if we had to stay home cooped up like this. We don't have any of this technology, we don't have the type of toys."

Like you just, like, "One, was the house probably wouldn't burn down. My parents would have killed." Oh yeah.

But I mean, what's the, what's the guy, Steve McQueen? He's in the jail cell bouncing the ball. Yeah, that would be us. We would be doing that.

Until we would be playing catch back in the kitchen until Mom punched one. And with your brothers, you have tunnels. I'll be Tom, Dick, and Harry every day to try to find us. You know what I'm saying? It would be like a bad version of Hogan's Heroes.

Exactly. A lot more domestic violence.

A less funny version of Hogan's Heroes, exactly, with more bruises.

Another thing, one, obviously, of course, less, less traffic jams. Average speeds for trucks during rush hour between 5:00 and 6:00 p.m. on major highways. I thought that was pretty interesting.

Exactly. Yes. But Atlanta, an increase of 290% of the average speed. A guy wrote in California, and I know you saw that because we usually read the same news feeds to glean some factoids, to divulge certain things. And a guy said that a trip that took him an hour and 40 minutes, now takes 33 minutes. You know, listen to the hundreds of millions of dollars of savings that that's going to bring.

But by the same token, Brian, and you know that I had the conversation with Germany here and Christian Fleischmann, shout-out to Christian, it's a motorcycle and cars on the Autobahn. His job is to go out there and risk his life on the Autobahn to slow things down and to prevent traffic accidents. And we talked about something that I would project, I predicted that human trafficking would be up and that smuggling of other items, real items, would be up, only based on the fact that there's going to be a "should I stay or should I go" mentality sometimes with the guys that do the weights and the measures and the officers that are assigned to those gigs. You pull over the wrong vehicle, you might have to go...

Well, yeah, and here, here, here's where that would, I think it would come in. One, there are travel restrictions, so that's where things like smuggling and stuff, it's going to be more difficult. Okay, so that'll make more. But on a grand scale, big train loads, big... Here's what I would get at that: so that might offset it, meaning, "Hey, that might limit the amount of smuggling." But then what you just brought up is a great point that people don't look at, is that, "Whoa, how has this changed law enforcement response in criminal justice, to where they're less focused on that?" So, so it might be actually maybe less, let's say there's a less amount of drugs coming across the border, but maybe their rate of success of them getting across is higher.

You're hiring. So do they offset each other, maybe?

For six months or a year?

Yeah, listen, I still predict it because, let me ask you this, Brian, you remember the two transit cops that wrestled with, that jumped over the trash and, and then it's a scrum and it's a spray and it's a Taser and it's a shooting? That came out almost immediately because we're in sort of a litigious society. We're also in a very, what would you call it, forward-thinking, everybody's got a phone so everybody's a journalist. So they've got the ability now to put it on social media immediately. Do you think any other officer that was working transit, no matter what the city, wanted to contact anybody for the next 48 hours or week? You know what I'm saying? They looked at that and they go, "Holy crap, look at this train wreck!" No pun intended, the earlier part of the broadcast. So the same thing when somebody says, "Hey, listen, at the border, I've got to be close to these folks, I've got to talk to them." You're going, "Yeah, but I've got a T-shirt on my face." Yeah, I get it, but human fear is an odd thing, Brian. And no matter what you are and you're sworn to protect, you're not going to turn illegal. You're not going to go, "Hey, this is just my thing that, you know, it's apocalyptic, so now I'm going to run naked through the streets." Some people would, but I think that there's an officer or a guy that was finger on the button to let the vehicles go through a checkpoint or something like that, and every once in a while they look and they go, "Not today. I don't want to mess with these guys," you know?

Which, which is an abnormal human fear. And that's not just on an individual level. I would say that would be at an agency level, meaning, "I've heard of other places now, there, 'Hey, we're only responding to radio calls,' or, 'We're not going out there being proactive.' We're not going out there and interacting with people." How horrible, first of all, if we get a call, we're going, obviously, but they're not going out there being proactive, which, I mean, one again, there's less people out there, there's less things going on, there's less activity. So it means that it's going to drive the crime. Somebody is out again, with your balance, right? They're out there, probably only feel bad if so it's, there's always two sides to that coin, and you don't know which side it's going to come up on.

You never know.

So that, that's the thing, is there is less. So, I think I sent you the "Where's Waldo" during social distancing. "Oh my God, five people in the scene and one of them's Waldo!" It's so obvious, quickly. But at the same time, it's, it's not because, yes, there's less presence, there's less people out there, but for some people, this might be an easier free movement.

Right. If you're very highly organized and low levels of sophistication, you'll be able to blend in and hide in plain sight. This is perfect for those devious types. Find the people that are cunning, they exhibit tactical cunning. Let me just hit one that you'll never see again in our lifetime. You'll never, ever see an arrest warrant or a search warrant predicated when a cop types, "The person was wearing a mask." Ever again, for the rest of our lives. COVID has changed the way that masks are seen now, and even if you have probable cause from all these different things, people are going to throw that mask part out of it, unless it was part of the identification phase where they said, "Yes, that's the guy," and, "I identified him because, you know, whatever type of mask." But you'll never be able to use that as probable cause again in the application or affidavit for a search warrant for the rest of our lives. It'll never be forgotten that, "Hey, could have been a COVID scare." And as a matter of fact, from now on, Brian, when we're on airplanes and buses, and you and I take a lot of public transportation, and we love the folks in New Jersey and Philly and Virginia, we know you're getting hit hard, and everywhere across the U.S. But Brian, I think there'll be more people wear masks and everything than we've ever seen before.

I agree. Then you do. So you have seen that for years in places like Asia, like China and different places every time we travel.

Yeah, yeah.

You see that a lot, especially people coming out of that area of the world too, because they are used to this stuff more, where they have to protect themselves. And sometimes that could be air quality, sometimes whatever. And they are actually protecting themselves during travel, because when you travel, you are more likely to get sick. You're surrounded by more people. Especially if you're on an airplane, you're all packed in the packaging.

I think that's a good point, meaning we're definitely going to see people are going to keep that up. Now some people are going to go, "Well, hey, that was a good habit. I'm just going to continue doing it." Well, if I'm in a public place, I can't control. These are disposable gloves anyway, I can wash this mask, why not? I'm used to it.

And you know how nature takes years sometimes to change the pattern of a deer on a trail, right?

Right. Right, right.

Because I'll give you a funny side note on that. Somebody said the other day, they said, "Hey, listen, we're seeing a lot more wildlife in town. I mean, that will see it like that forever." No, it snows, you're not there to scare them away. It takes years to develop a pattern. They're not. So with humans, humans are very resilient, and so they'll adapt to something rather quickly. And in you people out there that are shaming somebody for wearing a mask, Karma's timely.

Most of the masks that people are wearing aren't going to protect that person.

No, it protects the other people around them.

Exactly. But a lot of this is World War II stuff, Brian. "Hey, let's collect tin and rubber and everything to make people feel like they're doing good," because that T-shirt wrapped around your face is not going to end a transmission like an actual tested mask. But there are folks right now, Brian, I sent you the one where the female was wearing the birthday cone. She took the little paper birthday hat from Dollar General because she had to go shopping yesterday. And he happened to have a thong, it was a pair of underwear that he had washed and put on. People made fun of him.

Not... Yes, exactly. You just told me a lot about you, Brian.

But the idea, folks, sickandwrong.com, Brian's alternate site. The idea though, Brian, is that people cajoled him and made such fun of him that he felt that he was being preyed upon and fought. And here, this 20-something and his girlfriend wouldn't let up on this guy, and this guy's 50-something. This is uncalled for. That ridiculous horse crap happens in America and across the world every day because some people in the world just want to have their say and their way, and they become the most dangerous. Why would what would compel somebody to come up and make fun of somebody that's trying to do the right thing? There was a person outside the city market, Brian, just a couple of days ago, and wasn't wearing a mask and he goes, "Yeah, but I'm healthy!" Yeah, but you know what, other folks aren't. And right near the hospital and you're right near a place where the old folks home, and guess what? Gunnison doesn't have the long-term care facility, they certainly don't have an ICU. So what you're doing is you're needlessly jeopardizing somebody. Why would you, why would you do that when you didn't have to?

I think, of course, a lot of that too is kind of a lack of understanding. Again, it goes into something we don't understand.

Human compassion, though.

Yeah, but if people don't realize it, they don't see it that way. They don't know. They, when you've got so much junk that you're trying to cipher through in terms...

I know what's real news and what isn't. And what's, what should I? But I would say this, I would say that to anybody listening, that there's a whole bunch of people that haven't had the ability to say goodbye to their loved ones, and those people died alone. And then those people were put into storage, and the storage is running out, and sooner or later they're going to be talking about mass graves and all that other stuff. Listen, do the math. Separate that from the emotion and understand that that's the best for all of us. And we'll get back, and everything will be okay, and we'll move forward. But if you have the chance to pass today by doing something good and happy, rather than dwelling on the horror and the fear and the terror, and that's what I'm against, Brian, that you can't find a good news story. If it takes you longer than a couple of minutes to find a good news story, that tells me about where these self-promoting jerks in our society are.

Okay, that, that's, that's going to be there. So you brought up a good point about how nature takes a while to maybe change the path. That's perfect. But humans come in, we build stuff, and humans can develop habits and patterns much quicker, and then once we do, it's really hard to break them. So very hard. Whatever everyone's doing right now while you're at home, if you're letting things go, now you're going to be wicked hard to get back on program. So, if you get was job now. But here's what I want to get to, because there was a great photo of a coyote walking on Michigan Avenue in Chicago, and it's because it's empty, and it's just cruising along there, which is hilarious. And then people started adding to it, and they Photoshopped the mirror with the Roadrunner in it, you know what I mean? So it's just hilarious, little memes came out of it. But that's a good point, they're going to come back, right? Nature always is going to take over.

You can silly commit.

But as soon as humans start coming back, they're going to stay away. But humans on the other hand, what is this, all this being cooped up? What is all this change? Because there are huge economic changes, there are huge business changes that are happening, and now people are, maybe this is the moment that going forward, like there's a lot of businesses that are, "Hey, you know what? We only need half of our workforce showing up."

Everyone can stay home, work from there.

Yeah, and that saves them money and costs. I think it's going to be around. Well, this is the testbed, right? There are a lot of companies that, "Man, maybe we can do it." Now they're forced to, and then they're going, "Oh crap, we can actually continue to operate this way in some capacity." So maybe that completely changes things. So maybe there are less people on the roads, Greg. This time with their family.

You're exactly right. What do doctors say all the time when you go in with all the syphilitic sores you have and all the problems that you have when you go in? One of the first things that a doctor tries to do is say, "What's the quality of life issue that I can solve right now? What's the pain that you're in right now?" Then we'll work out copper. When you're taking a call and somebody goes, "This guy with the leaf blower, and I'm trying to sleep. I work midnights." And you're going, "That's not a crime." Listen, it's a quality of life issue to those folks, and you're going out there and trying to come up with a solution. That's what communities do, you see what I'm saying? So we're good at those skills, Brian. We're going to survive.

A funny side note on the animal kingdom: there's Highway 70 that goes through Colorado, and then there's a little highway that goes up through Bond and then up the Old Stagecoach Reservoir and then into Routt County to Steamboat Springs. And they nickname that the "Leather Highway." And the reason that they nickname that the Leather Highway is that even though we came in and put in a train and put in roads and put all these other things, the animals, specifically the out-migration route, had been there for hundreds of thousands of years, if not enough years. So every single year these vehicles are impacting with these animals, and they're putting a bigger and bigger fence and setting them back further. And the people that are hitting these animals come, "Why is this? Why is it the animal's brain is the size of your clicker, conditioned that this is my migration route from food to food? When I'm breeding, this is safe. Break a habit." Whereas humans are always thinking about what can I do for me right now? What is going to impact my life today that I can flip and change?

Look at how quickly all these wonderful pundits on, and I hate to bash LinkedIn, I just don't understand it, but all these people that are coming out with this horse crap one after the other after the other, "How are you feeling today? What's the thing that you did?" Folks, that's not helping anybody. And using somebody else's quote until you have to read it in your font and in italic, that's not helping anybody. You know what helps somebody? See them and tell them you're appreciated. Don't just text them. Do that FaceTime thing. Marren showed me how to do it. Martin Woolley, God bless Martin and his family, is always doing that FaceTime with me. When somebody sees you, then you're sharing that emotion and you're saying, "I care about you." If you have to text, text somebody you haven't talked to in a long time, "Hey, I hope you're getting through this." And if you're getting that text, don't be an ass-bag and write back, "Oh, it's these trying times." Dude, "Life according to COVID." How many times have we heard that, Brian? They all, these platitudes are just getting old.

Oh yeah.

Then let's stop talking about them. We don't need to take up our time. People want that, they can go somewhere else for it. That's not why they're here listening to this. So, what he just bashed for five minutes, everyone? For five minutes.

What grinds my gears? Yeah, exactly. We're not turning this into a Peter Griffin "What Grinds My Gears" episode. That's why you shouldn't be so. So what, so let's kind of continue down the path of human behavior patterns that are being set right now and how things are likely going to change. I mean, you've got complete changes in how this is what's, everyone's so hyper-focused, like we said, on getting this virus and you safe and you staying clean, and obviously extremely important, it's absolutely transmissible, all that. But the bigger picture here is kind of what happens when restrictions start to lift. People start, when we go back out, do people stop shaking hands now? Do we...

Exactly. Is right going to catch on? What's going to catch on? What do you think is going to stick, and what do you think is going to fall back? Because what's going to fall back on what we know, depending on how long we've made those changes? We're also lazy. We're also horribly lazy now that we found out that we can order food in a number of methods and just walk by the front of the store and the person comes out and hands us to it. So that becomes, I hate to use the term, but that becomes a "new normal."

Well, that's, and that's what I want to get at, the real, that's because those are the big changes that I think are going to happen. I mean, we already discussed, companies are now realizing how much they could probably still do from home, which allows people to spend more time with their families, less time on the roads driving, which means less cars, which means that then now for everyone else that still has to go into work, that's an extra 15 minutes they have at the beginning and end of each day because there's less vehicles on the road, so there's less traffic, all that stuff. Now, that restaurant that didn't do takeout before but had to learn now, and everyone loves it, and they came up with something, now that's their new thing. Maybe that's what people do now, and they learn to eat at home. That's kind of what I'm interested in, big-picture stuff here.

But it even gets down to some everyone's saying, "Are people going to shake hands anymore? We're just going to do whatever." And it's kind of an interesting, someone put that out. I was on Twitter and it was like, "Hey, what should people do after this? Or what are they going to do? Is it shake hands, head nod, wave?" And of course my vote here and my answer was of course open-mouth kiss. Which is one end of the spectrum and very hacky sack kick, what I'm trying to say. Apparently everyone else was taking that poll seriously. I wasn't. So sorry about that for everyone who hated me for that.

But those are there. So what else do you see, do you think? Because all of those little daily habits that become routine, if it goes long enough, and it's already that, I think we're already almost at that point where we have new habits. It's been a few weeks, so they're not going to go back.

Right. So no, the simple answer, Brian, they're not going to go back. And if they do go back, it's not going to be all the way. It's not going to be a pendulum swing back. It's going to be a gradual, incremental, and then ten years from now we will laugh at this podcast. Let's say, not sure about you. Definitely, I won't be here, but I'll have a mannequin, a robot by then, in Athens. Maybe I'll have a bigger dumpster. I don't know.

Exactly. And you are, in fact, the dumpster fire.

But listen, the age of entitlement is over, and I think people are starting to see that because things that they thought... I'll give a perfect example. Crested Butte, Gunnison, in this area, is a beautiful recreational mecca, Brian. People aren't able to go out and enjoy that because they're getting too close to each other. So they've tried to modify that, right? But you have the issue of second and third homeowners. So these absentee homeowners that live in many times, Texas, because of the way Colorado is situated with Texas, and it's so damn hot, but all over the West, and I'm sure some people from the East, they want to come up and go to their second or third home because I don't want to be in Dallas, and wherever, and they want to be away from the people. And now guess what? The restriction says no. The restriction said no, "Thou shalt not." And as a matter of fact, it's illegal to do that. So the Texas Attorney General's Office is contacting Colorado, and there's all this litigation. Listen, nobody imagined that their bungalow in the woods where they were going to escape to during that pandemic would be out of their reach. And a lot of people figured out now, Brian, that, "I waited too long. I waited too long to..." Blank.

Yeah, that's where stockpiling comes from.

"I waited too long. That's where training and education come in. I'm now going to buy a gun. I'm going to..." What are you going to do? Do virtual training on that gun? Because everything is closed. So I think it's, it's positive change we'll stick around, where people will now take it more. Do you remember having a root cellar? I know my family did.

Yeah, all at the Michigan basement, where we would keep the fruits and the vegetables when people would jar. I think, for us, it was just extra alcohol.

Yeah, exactly. You guys were bootlegging the liquor out of that. What did you call that? "Jimmy" or whatever? Remember, your dad used to make it in the toilet.

Merrill Jack. Exactly, Applejack.

But think about that, people are going to be doing a lot more than that. And also, people aren't going to let things run out. People from now on are going to stockpile ridiculous items. So even shopping is going to be different. Shopping is not going to be a leisurely look around, all that stuff. It's going to be, "Go get the items on this list and go." People that had never stockpiled anything before, in the future are going to start stockpiling certain things have become more important and need more focus.

Well, and that's why these things kind of take us back to, right? Stuff like this comes along all the time. Well, now, how severe it is. So we have, like, 9/11 happened, that everyone in our country. But since then, we haven't had anything that affects everyone. Even the aftermath of 9/11 really only affected people who served, or the families of those that died, or the firemen in some form. But right now, not anymore on the global, not like previous wars where there was a draft, we had to help out on the home front, and every time you did had to be for an effort. And now we all have to do this. "We're in this together." Or, as my old man likes to say, "No, we're not in this together, we're all in this at the same time."

There you go. Because I think that's actually a great line on this podcast. The opening vote. Maybe, maybe, maybe it will be.

But the idea is not everyone's in this together, meaning not everyone's in for the fight and wants to help out. So we're, but we're all in this at the same time.

Let me add something here that's kind of alienate, well, they're not in our audience base anyway, because I know all seven people that are, but listen, there's a kid right now that's going to be graduating from insert high school, college, whatever else, and that's a huge moment in a person's life. They're going, "I don't get to attend my commencement ceremony." I would tell them, "Stop! Use your advanced critical thinking skills. You will always and forever be known as those high school kids that missed graduation." So forever people are going to be raining gifts on you. Oprah's going to have the free car giveaway, that other female's going to say, "Look under your chair!" They're going to graduate. You're going to this.

No, no, you're exactly right. What's going to happen 10 years from now? Everyone's going to do that TV special where they're going to have high school back. They're going to do a high school back away ten years later. I believe that.

Yeah, I told, I've been telling everybody that we'll listen, which is the chipmunk, the water, you know, y'all down at him, that drunken miner. But the idea that someone who works in a mine with a scruffy beard and a hard hat, that's all he wears these days and spits tobacco. But the idea, Brian, is that those folks that are disenfranchised now, absolutely believe that this is the end of the world. That's an entitlement thing. Again, it's going to be okay. Listen, I'll tell you something that made me cry last night: our dear friend, my consigliere, I won't call him out on the air, his wife is at the epicenter down in Detroit, which is getting hard-hit. God bless. That's right, Detroit always bounces back. And she hasn't been able to kiss her kids for two months because she's...

Yeah, I just can't.

You know, that's the real, that's the real hurt, Brian, and they'll never get that back. People that are in the call center ten hours a day, they're coming back with all that stress, and they're volunteers, Brian, they weren't voluntold to take charge of this. That's the people that aren't ever going to get this time back. What are they going to do? Give them days off? Do you understand what I'm trying to say? So don't look at it from that.

Yeah, that, exactly the way it was. It's the Mr. Rogers quote, right? When his mom told him, "Look in these scary times, look for the leaders, look for the helpers, look for the people that are out there doing stuff, not the influencers." But that, I mean, that's, those are obviously, there's the folks on the front lines. We all, you and I, everybody, know a lot of those people, or are a lot of those people. So yeah, so it's weird not being a non-essential, right? I mean, when does that ever happen? We've always had a certain position where we were essential or we were part of the fight. So yeah, so shout out to obviously a lot of our listeners who are actually, everybody, thank you much in the fight. But I just kind of want to hit on some of those things that are going to change going forward. So if you didn't do it now during this time, you're probably not going to do it now.

I kind of better. Well, there are people, Brian, that, you know, there's only two markets in town, so you've got a choice of going to City Market or going to Safeway. And both of them have taken to putting on the floor these huge signs, still lining, yeah, the one cart, two went to two carts, and now the aisles only go one way and all that. So some of that residually is going to be like an echo, you're going to still hear it and see it when this is all over. A person just automatically goes north on a lane rather than south, you see what I'm saying?

But I would caution our listeners and viewers that because humans are stupid and lazy sometimes, that when you get back on the freeway, it's going to be Death Race 2000 for the first couple of times out there. You've forgotten a lot of those skills that you took for granted, and those other people aren't looking for you. Be careful of that. Don't just worry about the virus and your mask, worry about an armed home invasion. Don't just worry about this and that, worry about the increase in your plumbing at your house. You better look at things like that. For example, if you're in a septic system right now, around a well, all of those folks that went 8 or 10 hours a day or 12 hours a day away because they were at school or work, right now we're all living under the same home. Those things break that infrastructure, Brian. Those are the things that we should... Like, if you live in a well, and you're going like, "We live in a city," but you know, Brian, we all know very many people live out, not all in the population centers. What happens if the electricity goes down? Do you have a remote well pump that you can put on the old, old remedy?

No, the Amish got some of that right.

Not only Amish, dastard Amish people. You know, and the weird beards, anybody. I use Honest Amish beard cream in mine because who knows beards better than them? Not to get too much into that.

No, but that brings up a few things, but one of them being, I talked to a buddy about this because it was interesting a couple of weeks ago about his constrictors — he's in construction. I was like, the construction industry is still going because I feel like now is the time to really get cracking on a few things. And I know one of the stories you sent out of Vegas, one of the companies that I think they were redoing part of the Vegas Strip. It's supposed to be like a five-year thing, and they said, "Hey, we can rip up the whole strip and do this right now. Start over in six months or whatever." We would not have been five years, I'm wrong in the timelines, but it's something like, "We'll do it in 20% of the time it would have taken us had we done it section by section." So I'm curious of stuff like that. If we do, because how else do you get the, one of the ways to get the economy back right after, during the Depression, was with all the Works Project Administration, all that. That was all, but what was it? It was infrastructure investment by the government and our tax dollars to get the economy rolling and produce something, because the second, third-order effects, obviously know, there's the economy tied to infrastructure development can be traced on what leads out from those spending our tax dollars. It's a return, because now all those people have good-paying jobs and then they go spend their money. So I'm curious if that's one of the first things that comes back, is like, "Hey, we're going to do these big construction projects," or...

You're exactly right. And I can't remember, you know that right at those carnival games that show up for a weekend and go? And one that looks like a whole Viking ship and everybody sways back and forth, whatever that's called. That's the type of economy that we've always had, right? And so how much it swings depends, but it's always going back and forth.

So I don't know if you'll remember this, but when I was growing up, we had civil defense shelters all over the place. And there were residuals from two things: one, World War II, we learned bombings aren't fun. And then, two, the Cold War, when 90 miles from our border there were missile sites and people were afraid. So in East Detroit High School, in the basement of East Detroit High School, because we went down there often for the different clubs and stuff that I was involved in, they had civil defense food and civil defense water and civil defense helmets that looked like the old British Doughboy helmets. And there was markers on buildings: "This is where you go when the fallout." We have forgotten about that, right, Brian? And it's archaic. Maybe it's in a movie here, there, somebody writes about it in a thriller, but we've forgotten about that. That's what we're going to find here, too. We're going to find that there's some throwback to that. The ventilator situation, the care situation, the care of our elderly, how we deliver care, the processes of personal hygiene. I think those type of products are always now going to be in the forefront of our mind, at least for our generation, wouldn't you agree?

Well, we talk, we talk about certain stuff, we talk about lessons learned. And, you know, so are we, like, we did after 9/11? Is there ever going to likely be another 9/11 type attack on us? Probably not going to be able to pull something off like that. Because we instituted so many policies. But not to go down that rabbit hole, but the idea is, now what are we looking at? And do we have the generation now?

Like "Spirits"?

No, no, but like you just said, like you have a generation now of those folks who, they're going to go the rest of their lives, like, "Hey, I didn't have a high school graduation because I was on shelter-in-place and I couldn't do that." So now do they take those lessons learned forward?

Yeah, I apologize, it was just a spike in the internet. I'm inside until... There's another thing, Brian, I think people are going to do Zoom every week now because they cherish life. They saw how quickly we could lose something, and that's what's accounting for Brian, us going in that freeze mode once in a while. Is many more people are at home on a Friday talking to their loved ones. I say that next time that we're on a five-and-a-half-hour phone call, we pick something funny that's going on and we use that to take a drink. Whatever other thing that you abused, I'm sure your kits are laying behind you by the dumpster.

Sure, I got a warm 18-pack of Bush, Bush Heavy Dumpster here that would have made that call much better. Brian's motto, folks: one can at a time. All right, well, I think that's a, somebody's telling us we better stop. Yeah, it's a good time, Victor, to wrap up the call here. So I think that's, I think that's going to end unless you've got anything else to add.

Solar flares, avoid them. Wear your sunscreen, folks. Hey, we're all going to get through this together, or we're all going to get through this. You decide.

All right. Don't forget, everyone, training changes behavior.