Left of Greg #055: Things I learned in Texas

Hello everyone, and thanks for tuning in to the Left of Greg podcast. I am Brian Marren, the host and creator of the show. As always, I will be joined by human behavior expert Mr. Greg Williams, who the show is affectionately named after. Here on the Left of Greg show, our goal is to increase your advanced critical thinking ability through a better understanding of what we call human behavior, pattern recognition, and analysis. If you'd like to find out more about what that is, you can check out our website at arcadiacognirati.com or by following us on Facebook at HBRA. Please support the show by checking out our Patreon site, where for just a few dollars you can have access to all kinds of episode extras, videos, and short tutorials that are updated weekly. Just click the link in the episode details that says support the show and it'll take you directly to that site. If you have any questions or would like us to cover a specific topic, please reach out to us at leftofgreg@gmail.com. On today's episode, Greg and I are talking about some of the things we learned while we were in Texas for the week. We also discussed the case of an active duty airman who tried to fake his own kidnapping and failed miserably. I also explained to Greg the reason why people put limes in their Corona. Thanks again for tuning in and we hope you enjoy the show. Let's start it here, Greg, and start off talking about things I learned in Texas. It'll be a little recap of some of our experiences over the last couple of weeks. We had that busy travel schedule, racing around Dallas to Philadelphia to Princeton to Philadelphia, and then we're back. I've been to Texas maybe a half a dozen times before this, or maybe more, maybe a dozen times, but usually around the military base or whatever. I've been to Dallas before, I've been to Austin, and then all the little small towns like Killeen and all those places. So we had some fun down there, but the first thing I learned — I did not know this — is Dallas isn't Texas.

And we're traveling again tomorrow. We were told that — we didn't surmise that. Don't vilify us for being a messenger on that one. How many times did we hear that during a week-long trip?

Before I start — because we have a lot of listeners down in Dallas — we were down there with Carry the Load. I'll put a link up. Carry the Load is a great organization that does a ton of great work, not just in and around Dallas but all over the country with their Memorial Day Relay. Awesome organization, we love their people, they're so cool. Shout out to Debbie. But we learned a lot, and I didn't get the full definition of when people would tell us, "Well, Dallas isn't Texas." I'm like, is Fort Worth Texas? Well, yeah. What about San Antonio?

All the places we didn't go on this trip. We also learned something valuable about a coffee shop. Rainy day, cold as hell. The place is called something like Coffee Grinder, has a cup of coffee in the logo — the window is painted with a cup of coffee that's as big as me. We go in, guy's at the counter. May I help you? Hey, we'd like a couple of coffees. It was like we came off the planet Mars. You want coffee? Yeah, we'd like some coffee. Can we have a couple to go? So he had to go scramble up the coffee from like the staff area, their own coffee. That's just what you wanted, you know — I don't know about you, but you're advertising left and right.

Will you go fill up a cup over here? I guess it was a breakfast spot, but we just assumed. So the next point I learned — and again, everyone listening down in Texas, I love Texas, I'm not bashing it — but I found out "bless your heart" is not a compliment and does not mean something nice. It's pretty much "go f yourself" or "you have no idea what you're doing, you're an idiot, but I'm going to be polite." Remember in conversations with, like, a roomful of military officers or whoever, and they do the "thanks, that was helpful" and you're like, I don't think he meant that. "That was helpful." So bless your heart — that was a good one. And the third thing: U-turns are apparently allowed at any place, at any given time, no matter what.

Oh, how sweet — and he actually thinks he's asking the right question, right? You have to add to that, Brian — at any speed. The laws of physics do not apply on Dallas highways. Exactly. Coming off the top rope, are we?

I've never seen driving like that outside of Central Asia. Yeah, it reminded me a lot of Kabul, where it's like anything goes. I hate doing the "oh, the people down there are the worst drivers" or "the food is awful in that city" — it sounds like a comedy shtick — but it was true. How many accidents did we see?

It reminded me a little bit of Saudi Arabia. You have to understand, Brian and I wore our suit jackets and dress shirts and then wore no pants, and on the heated seat we just put a bed sheet because we knew we were going to be crapping ourselves all the way to wherever we went so we could clean up and get ready for the meeting. Near-death experiences. How many police officers gave the — you know — slammed their hand to their forehead and shook their head?

We saw an actual accident occur every day, one every day, and then we saw how many near misses every single day of just random wild stuff. You gotta be kidding me. Even on some of the interstate it was just like one person's doing 35, one person's doing 95.

Just weird. But let's attribute this properly — the longer we were there, the more we got used to it, but it didn't make it right. So our people, our friends that are traveling for work or for school or going on a vacation, I highly suggest that you talk to somebody in the area and ask them, because Brian's quick four simple rules there might save you a day of pounding Advil and bourbon like it's free.

So speaking of bourbon — we'll go back to Texas here — but I also want to shout out to when we were in Philly, the city of brotherly love. Great place, but we do have to —

Sisterly love. Remember, they just officially changed that title — yeah, they said now it's essentially the city of love to account for everybody. Total transparency, which we love.

Oh, okay. Well — shout out to — I want to read it. The Manitani Stillworks have their little pop-up shop down in the train station in downtown Philly.

We've got some live video feed and an interview and stuff that will be put up on the site, folks.

That was fun. It was a cold day and let's just say we were able to warm up in their little tasting room.

The taste test — with the NyQuil thimble of bourbon. No better way of drinking bourbon out of a plastic thimble, Brian. Straight from someone else's bottle — let's be absolutely honest. Look up that sisterly love thing, folks. It sounds like a good caper.

With a size of a pinky. I generally prefer straight from the bottle, but that place was awesome. So we had some other fun shenanigans, but I always like taking the lessons learned, and that one out of Dallas was interesting to say the least. What a fun town.

For example, if we were going to talk about Philly — which we both love Philly, absolutely love it — every single person that we quizzed in Philly with our street interviews said the same thing. They love Philly, they love the people. Mass transit is alive and well in Philly; you couldn't walk very far at all without having some method of transport. But to a person, when we asked them about the gastronomy of Philadelphia, they all gave the same answer. I thought that was funny because you and I found a couple of really, really great places to eat, but the fact of the matter is the locals on the ground weren't very pleased. We both had the meat sweats leaving Dallas, folks. I am trying to watch my weight and not watch it grow. There was not a place that we went to — like, as a matter of fact, when you sit down somewhere they bring you a glass of water; in Texas they bring you a brisket. And while you're eating the brisket they say, would you like some pork chops and sausage with your brisket?

They weren't impressed with it. But we ate great out there. We have our spot that we go to — we'll have to tell everyone about that sometime. We ate a lot of the meats down there — so good. That was the one where I had the jalapeño cheese stuffed sausage, and I'm like, hey, this meeting we have to go to this afternoon is not going to go well, because this is what I'm having for lunch.

The jalapeños were your salad, your vegetable course, actually. Bad, bad, bad food choice for me. Meat sweats on the plane — the people around me thought that I was, you know, Al or Joe Kida, because I was sweating so much.

Al and Debbie Kata of Al's Kata's car service.

Who are in Arizona now, by the way — thanks, Arizona, for wrecking that. But it takes one of those incidents to open your eyes. Looking down and in, and looking up and out — it's your responsibility, folks. It's going to happen, and you can play an integral role in your own safety or the safety of your community.

So one story, Greg, I wanted to run past you here because it'll probably lead in — we see things like this all the time. Staff Sergeant Keith Kiefer — or Keffer, I don't know how to pronounce it — who was assigned to the 91st Missile Wing of Minot Air Force Base, was found January 22nd in a ditch in Northern California claiming he was kidnapped and that he could not recall his name.

We've used that dodge before. This sounds like something's wrong with this story — it doesn't pass the smell test, man.

They have determined that he made up the incident in hopes he would be released from the military.

What branch? So how hard were things on the base in Minot when you're in charge of missile watching or whatever.

He was Air Force.

He's a staff sergeant. So in the Army or the Marine Corps, an Air Force staff sergeant is like a corporal or a private. I can't remember how that works.

I think it's an E5.

Right, now we're getting hate mail. We're joking, folks. We're joking.

I think it's an E5, but that's the joke, and I don't care — it's inter-service rivalry. I was a Marine, so when you call me a crayon-eater or whatever.

You and I both end up wound up in a ditch in California. Both of us have forgotten our names many times, our clothing. Chances are neither of us did it.

The chances of me waking up in a ditch in California not remembering anything is pretty high, given any weekend. So that can happen to me at any point.

But what was his ulterior motive, Brian? I mean, you read the article.

It's a newer story so they didn't get the full thing — it just happened, they found him literally a couple days ago, so I wasn't able to do much follow-up. He told them he couldn't recall his name, all this stuff. They did this search, posted online, and then found out he was active duty Air Force out of Travis Air Force Base not long ago. Basically he said he was a victim of kidnapping. The story doesn't make sense, but he was just trying to get out of the military — that's what they're saying. The PD there handed him over to the Air Force.

The Johnny Walker Lindh excuse — where you're caught with a bunch of Al-Qaeda in a basement after a firefight in Afghanistan and you go, "Me? No, I wasn't free to leave." What horse crap. Well, hopefully they'll prosecute him and kick him out. You know what I always think of in situations like this, Brian, is the man-hours of emergency service and law enforcement professionals that are needlessly tied up. And this kid — what a poor execution of critical thinking. Just bad.

We've seen that before, actually, in California too. I remember a case we were following about a year and a half ago, something similar — someone was found and it was like, wait a minute, what happened? You got kidnapped? This story isn't put together. So in his case it was a fairly low level of organization. He didn't have a good story.

Now, on the other caper — there was a situation where this was true, and there was a certain band of just horrible kidnappers that went out there. The reason that the story on that one didn't pass the smell test is the criminals were terrible, and even the cops were going, look, what kind of idiot would do these types of things? And the lady was going, you haven't met them, but they're out there. What's interesting, Brian, there's a psychological malady called Munchausen by proxy. People who have care over others — whether it's a child, a baby, an old person — are inadvertently poisoning or injuring that person over and over to continue that level of care. It's a weird thing, because inside their mind they think they're the hero, that they're actually doing something good, when what's happening is they're harming or in some circumstances killing a person. So you've got to look through a lens, and if there were a number of choices on that lens, you'd have Munchausen as one possible angle. You'd have another angle — I'm sure you've heard of cops who have shot themselves on the line of duty, and then there's this big protracted investigation and they find out, hey, wait a minute, he shot himself.

The coronavirus. Because otherwise it tastes like Corona.

Yeah, I have the corona and the lime and the virus. Brian, why did they put lime in a Corona? There we go. Thank you for that science.

You're welcome. You just heard that for the first time this weekend?

I never heard that. But then the final one, Brian, in this little triangle of hate, death, and fear that we're talking about today — it would be situations like this where a person claims to be kidnapped to throw someone off the scent of something else they're doing, or to gain attention and notoriety when it's all a lie. And you've probably heard the fringes of that, like people who ask for a GoFundMe for a kid that has cancer but there's no such kid and no cancer. These are human dilemmas that we encounter.

And we don't get too far into, hey, that's this psychological principle or that's that psychological principle, because there's a lot of them and we don't ever want to say that's one way to look at things. At a user end level you need to take this into account. Now if you're a clinical psychologist or that's your milieu, then you're already going to know all these things. But what are those takeaways? What we see — because you do see this a lot — is playing almost like the victim or the hero. Hey, I was victimized by this. And these all go into little spirals. So you mentioned something like a version of a cop shooting themselves and saying something else happened. I know someone who accidentally shot themselves on a deployment. They were messing around with their sidearm and it was obvious to everyone there. We all knew, sent him away for help. He got sent back, and someone from our unit had seen him and said, hey, what happened? And he said, oh yeah, I got hit with an AK round during a firefight, I'm headed back. But then slowly, as they were both traveling to the same place, he's going, uh-oh. So the other guy walked in and said, hey, I heard so-and-so got shot. And it was like, what? No, he shot himself on post. Oh, okay. But why did he say that? In that situation he was embarrassed and didn't want to tell the story of what actually happened. He didn't go out afterwards and say hey, I'm a hero — he never did that.

So that's a continuum you have to build for our audience. The left side of it is his fear of being found out and his embarrassment, because it was a crappy situation — that's at one end of the spectrum. Let's turn the dial up just a little bit on that. I was at a bar called Wooly Bullies in Detroit — don't even know if it exists anymore, a long time ago. It was one of those bars where about a third of the patrons just had to be cops, because it sat at a jurisdiction where a lot of cops would stop in. Not a cop bar cliché like you see from Hollywood writers — it just happened that a lot of the people in the bar were coppers. So there was this cat that I met and he was just wowing the females at his table. They actually pulled up his shirt and he showed the gunshot wound. He goes, yeah, I got shot. The backstory on this caper was that he had taken his nine millimeter Smith and Wesson, and when you go into the bathroom you know where you hang your coat on a coat rack hook? He hung his nine millimeter on that coat rack hook. He sat down, and as he's sitting there he moves or changes position and his gun falls and it lands on the hammer. And you remember the Smith and Wesson — even with the safety on it's got that big hammer that comes way back and then goes forward. So it discharges, skids across the floor, shoots himself right next to dispatch. Dispatch runs in and goes, oh my god, it's an attempted suicide. And everybody does the investigation, including him, and says, wait, it was an accident. Look. Because it's a nine mil, fired out of a pistol at that range with nothing restraining it, the internal ballistics were in its favor. It went through, didn't cream anything. He's on the road a couple of weeks later with these huge scar tissue marks, but he's okay. So he did what your buddy did. But he changed it because he was using it for nefarious ends — he was actually trying to role-play, hey, look at me, I was shot on the street. In this industry, if you're doing something to gain an advantage like that, I think it's fraudulent — and I think it's worse than that stolen valor stuff. Your buddy was just trying to get out of a bad situation, but if you got a free meal or a cup of coffee out of it, or proverbially met somebody — you know what I'm saying — then I think it's wrong.

That goes back into the intent of doing it. You have people at a bar saying things to sound cool, to impress a girl — oh yeah, I was in this unit, or went to this training, or I'm a so-and-so — and they're not, because they're just trying to impress someone. That's different from the person going out wearing a uniform with all that stuff on them saying I was in this unit or went to this school when they didn't, or weren't in the military at all. Two completely different behaviors — the behaviors are the same but the intent is different. And it's important to understand that, because we sometimes overreact. But to go to the level of, all right, I'm going to fake my own kidnapping —

Let's stay on that wavelength for a minute and let's talk about Sarge. I know his name was Joe, and folks are going to have to do your homework on this one. Look up Illinois, probably 2015, mid to late summer. I think his name was like Joe Galinowitz, or Sergeant Joe, and they called him Sarge on the street. So all of a sudden, worst call on the radio — hey dispatch, shots fired. Three suspects, I'm at the old cement foundry, I'm chasing him now. They hear the sirens and all of a sudden he yells again, shots fired. Hey, officer down — he being the officer. Coppers from every agency — I think it was 400 people — responded to this incident from all these different agencies, and they found him dead behind the cement foundry. Dead from multiple gunshot wounds. Long story short, they were self-inflicted and the event never happened. After a long, protracted investigation into every facet of his life, he was about to get indicted, he was about to get caught on things he did, they had seized his bank accounts, there was suspected illegal activity across all these facets. There were bad things going on and he knew he was going to check out early. But what he decided to do is go out like a hero — his last memories to the news media and to his supervisors would be like, oh man, Joe went down like a hero — when in fact what he did is needlessly put people at risk. When a copper's been shot, some civilians and some coppers are going to be at risk. One copper's driving way too fast to get to the officer down. They might run an intersection and hurt or kill somebody. It was a sham, it was a lie. So when we go to this kidnapping kid, he would be less than Sergeant Joe. But I think your assessment about the intent is hugely important here. What are you covering up? What are you trying to sell me? What's your goal here?

That's how I would regulate a response to it. What is this person actually intending to do? Are you intending to get a free beer at a bar, or are you intending to get money? It's grades of wrong — absolutely. Just like any degree of any crime, what is their actual intent behind this? Hey, I'm trying to impress a chick — okay, you're an ass, but you don't need to go to jail.

You're not a criminal.

You're just a jackass, and there's plenty of jackasses out there. So I think that's a good way to look at some of these. You got this guy who's trying to get out of the Air Force — I don't know why you'd try to get out of that. I think I tried to get in and they wouldn't let me.

I tried to change my service over to them and they said no.

To our Air Force fans out there, it's just inter-service rivalry.

We're joking. At least you're not in the Navy.

As I'm typing with my fists and headbutting my computer to turn it on — yeah, you made the right decision going into the airport.

Dude, when we went to Hawaii and went to Bellows, they had a bowling alley and bars and people were on the beach. I go, what's that? And they go, that's the Air Force. I was like, oh, I got screwed.

I made every wrong decision. But to raise to that level — his intent is to do this, and it's like, what are the ramifications? Obviously law enforcement has to get involved, the community has to get involved, resources are allocated to someone who didn't warrant them. To me, that's now a much higher level of crime, because look at what you cause. Here's the second and third order effects. Now what if they're following up on a tip someone gives that they think is correct, and like you said, that initiates a pursuit that has nothing to do with this, and then someone gets killed in that pursuit? That's what happens — it's vicarious liability.

I have a hard time with the term hero because we tend to misapply it sometimes. Loosey-goosey — there's not a day that goes by that Brian doesn't say loosey-goosey to somebody.

I've never said that in my life except right now.

Anytime that somebody would have you think that heroism is voluntary and intentional, I think therein lies the rub. Most acts of heroism that you and I have witnessed or been involved in, in any manner, nobody said, hey, this is my chance to be a hero. Nobody stepped forward and said, now I shall demonstrate heroism. What happened is the situation evolved, and that person made a choice — but it was a choice on helping their buddy, not a choice on, hey, I'm going to have my name up on a wall somewhere. That's horse crap, I think.

This gets into a number of different cases. You sent me the one on the fire investigators out on the east coast, and a lot of times we've even used the example of the forensic examiner — bald guy — who was planting evidence to show his techniques work. You could just tell from the video we picked out, that's deception indicator after deception indicator when he was on that 60 Minutes show or Dateline, before he got caught. But that's the thing — let's get into that, because these are all different examples of an overarching theme. So what is that overarching theme?

Here we have a Fabergé egg and you're looking in one hole. I turned it, I'm looking in another hole. The egg is comprised of all these different things, just like looking at all the stars in the sky, and each one of these creates a separate constellation that we can dive into. So a while ago — and I don't want to get so specific because these people are still alive — there was a big fire thing where all the fire investigators came together, and we had recently had a fire up in a place called Mountain Star. It was a million dollars to get a property in Mountain Star to build on, and another ten or fifteen million to build. So it was an investment of tens of millions of dollars — a place with a private theater, wine storage. We call it a liquor store in Detroit, but —

A cellar, a wine cellar.

Inside the house, in addition to the theater, they had two single bowling alleys, an inside pool and an outside pool you could go between, and then a fountain that started outside as a stream, went through and under the house, and then went out the other side. The guy was also a shooter, and we couldn't even get close to the place because his ammo was cooking off. Folks, ammo will cook off and it's not the same as being shot out of a gun, but it doesn't know it's not being shot out of a gun and it can clip you good.

It can go anywhere. There's no barrel for it to direct to. It's chaos.

The external ballistics and the terminal ballistics aren't exactly the same, but it'll still kill you. So we stay away, and then we go in there and this guy comes down from the state, from TBI, and he's walking around showing me this stuff and talking about the alligatoring and the scaling. I come away with the idea that this guy's way too smart on this — how does he know? He's taking stuff in a paint can and all this stuff. So I asked for his credentials, and the thing was he was self-taught. I'm not discounting self-taught people because there are a lot of great experts out there, but I said, is there a body where people go to get training? He goes, yeah, there's this place. So I start following up on this place — I figure I'm going to get a little educated so I know what the BS sounds like on a scene, specifically this one where a lot is hanging in the balance. So we all go to this course. One of the guest speakers of the course is a genius. He goes to a course in Nevada, again a genius. He goes to a course in California, and I'm following all this stuff going, this is amazing. So as I'm following it, I'm not the only one following it — the feds are following it too, because every city where this guy had his round table and people came in — at the Hilton Convention Center, there were these major fires, and they were all started the same way. I don't want to give a TTP — a tactic, technique, or procedure — but it was three simple items that were put together in these stores as he was in the store, very simple, burn up completely, and leave very little evidence behind. But what it became was his unique little snowflake. It became his signature, his fingerprint. And the other part of it was he would show up and say, hey, listen, I'm a fire investigator, let me help you with the scene. So his need — and psychologists call this drive theory, so folks that are listening, please look up drive theory — this is the first time you'll ever hear me say motive is as important as intent. It's almost never important, but when you're studying a crime like this, the motivation is the feeling — the catecholamine dump, the dopamine dump of being the hero in this situation, even if he has to create the situation and even if lives are endangered or lost. I feel so poorly about who I am. Instead of me cutting — because I cut so I can control it — you get what I'm trying to say?

You can control it, yeah.

I feel in control. They only feel in control if they're the little lonely goat herd, the marionette — they're pulling the strings of the life around them. So I can't do the fire scene, I'm afraid to go to the fire scene, but I'm an arsonist at heart, I'm fascinated by it, and so I get into that line of work. Brian, would you be surprised that if you look up all the serial killers that ever existed on the face of the planet, almost all of them went to a mortuary and worked part-time — even for free — because they were fascinated with deceased persons? Almost everyone to a person went and did police ride-alongs and became part of some police—

A lot of them did.

Why? Because it's a satellite — you're close to that thing. It's a moth to a flame, and it titillates you, it scintillates you, and gives you that excitement. When you can't get the excitement that you crave from just watching a fire, Brian, you create the fire. That's another angle that's on the other side of the universe, but in the same span of that universe, is your kid that winds up in a ditch. He just doesn't have a well-thought-out plan and says, hey, I'm the smartest guy in the room. But that's exactly what the arsonist said, exactly what the serial killer said. I'm thinking back to Elliot Rodger, looking at everybody and saying, you simple idiots, you'll never be able to catch me and be on my wavelength. Who else did that? The kids from Columbine — Klebold and Harris — they think that there's a joke. Perfect example. We could write down a list of all these guys and all these ladies that said, I'm smarter than the average bear, you don't understand. So I have to create the incidents that occur in my universe. How clever is Sergeant Joe from Illinois to say, hey, all eyes on me — shout out to Tupac — and then all of a sudden he's worried that he's going to be found out, so he spends weeks planning his own suicide, going out in a blaze of glory. That's mental illness 101. That's the most basic, damaged, fractured human spirit.

That's a good way to look at it, because there are all these different theories or ways to explain it. You talked about drive theory and Munchausen syndrome and all these different psychological principles, which are all great and used to articulate something. But the idea is you don't always see it. People use the term psychopath or sociopath all the time, like it's just another one —

Just like Nero, right?

— oh, he's a psychopath. Well, first of all, are you a clinical psychologist who has administered the test for that, where it's a 20 or 21 question test and you rated it zero, one, or two, and you saw his score? No? Okay, so stop. You might have some traits that are similar to that, but that in itself doesn't mean anything.

No, they've watched Silence of the Lambs twice on Netflix.

It doesn't mean they're a criminal even. And a lot of it comes down to people — there's lack of empathy, there's narcissism, there's all that stuff, and people kind of throw it around.

Each one of those is a bias, and they lead to fractures or scar tissue, and sometimes when you like them you exploit them — and that's the difference between you and me and one of them. Hey, our current president could be classified as a psychopath or a sociopath or a narcissist, but so could half the other presidents, and then you're like, yeah — every president that's ever served and half the idiots that are running for president. So don't sit there and think that that's a blanket statement that somehow gives you structure to society.

You shouldn't look at it as like, hey, this person's a bad person. It's just, no, this is how I understand what they're doing and how their mind works a little bit. And if you're using it for that, then absolutely, because we all have it. So that's why I like it when we use our general term of, hey, it's a broken human being — you don't need to know any of that stuff to understand, right? Because I don't need to know all of those different theories or explanations to—

Never have to read a book.

— to identify someone. So how do I identify that person who's like, hey, this guy's full of crap, versus the guy who, no, he seriously got kidnapped? There are indicators, like they said, like in that specific example — hey, this guy's too clean, this isn't matching up, the timeline. But before that incident occurred, how do I know who's going to likely do that? How can I tell who's that Sergeant Joe that's actually going to create that situation versus the guy who's maybe just a broken human being but is never going to create that situation?

Fractures appear long before the total break with reality. If you look at anybody's — like, for example, you're somebody listening right now saying, yeah, but who would do that? What do you think HR is for? What do you think your interview process is for? I'll give you a very simple one, Brian. Shelly and I ran the Powderhorn Ranch — we owned it and loved it for 13 years and never thought of ever leaving that, but then Iraq, Afghanistan, you bastards. The idea was that each year we had to go through probably 200 resumes for 35 open positions, and we were very selective. If you wanted to pass the gating mechanism and your email address was at lookatthebulgeinmypants.com or something like that, you were done. Weinstein need not apply. Epstein need not apply. That kind of foul-mouthed, infantile — there was just no reason for that stuff, and I could sense that a person like that is maybe acting out. Most people want their say and not their way, but that would be a symptom of the type of person we're talking about. The next thing is a social profile. Social media allows me to hide, but to transmit information with no fear of repercussion. What are you going to do, call me an idiot? You're going to send back, so I can feel hate and spite and terror — all this stuff in it. That's another symptom. So now my stage name, whatever that is, and now I have social media posts — or what we call it when we're teaching, the wall, and people hang that up and create a profile. I would say look at that, and then somebody listening going, oh, it's like lettered t-shirts, they mean nothing — they mean nothing unless you walk into Columbine wearing them and a trench coat. What you have to do is never put a round peg in a square hole and never rush to an unreasonable conclusion — two of the best bits of advice I can give anybody listening. But you have a situation here where what a person says and their actions are incongruent. This kid was kidnapped — what in God's name did this young Air Force sergeant possess that he would be taken out? How many times did we have to go when we were doing insider threat training, Brian, deployed to Afghanistan, going into groups, and somebody would always come up and say, well, my biggest fear is whatever. And you had to tell them, no harm, no foul retro, but you're unlikely in your position at your assignment right now to be targeted. All that anxiety you're bringing, you're bringing it on yourself. Now, these guys that are in this situation are much more in danger and they're not even answering the phone. So you have to sort of line those things up — you have to have the contextual and then measure it against a baseline. Anybody that's telling you too much information is a con man. Con comes from the term confidence. A person that has verbal diarrhea is lying to you. Because if I ask a normal human what they had for lunch last Tuesday, they would have to think about it — they wouldn't come back with the most awe-inspiring chicken salad sandwich from some little bodega. When you hear somebody trying to say something and they go, and another thing, and then Tommy and Billy was there, and then you ask Jimmy, and I swear to God — those are all lie indicators. Some people do say I swear to God, but not in that context. The relevance of the location within which they're making those statements means a lot.

So you talked about incongruent signals as a big one. We use that term to mean: is what's coming out of my mouth matching what's going on in my body, with the story, with the context, with the relevance, with the baseline?

Life is simple. It's a metric of repeat behaviors — human behavior pattern recognition and analysis. All of a sudden you've got a guy kidnapped. Kidnapping is a life felony, the biggest thing in the world, like seeing a nuclear bomb on the horizon. It changes everything, and they dumped him in a ditch — that's incongruent and well outside the scope. Look for simple stuff. Life is simple, and when you answer, it would be simple. If you ask me where I was last Tuesday at eight o'clock, I'd say I don't know, I'd have to check my calendar. There is no bald guy with the white cat petting the cat. This convoluted plan with a whole bunch of moving pieces — Nicholas Cage, the red wire, the blue wire — that's all horse crap. That's John Woo, wonderful to watch if you've got a couple hours to waste, but that's not how life works. Look at ACCESS — the people that perpetrate these types of things, with the arson, the person shooting themselves, the person trying to ingratiate themselves to pull a con. They require access, and access gives them the power they need. Being able to operate behind the velvet ropes, being able to skate on the thin ice. Remember Abagnale, the guy that posed as an airline pilot one week—

Then he was robbing banks, fake checks and all that.

Do you honestly think his drive theory had to do with monetary gain? That he wanted to make more money? No. His intent was a need that's deep inside that can only be filled by exploiting these folks and going, I'm smarter than you. And that was Elliott Rodger, except Elliott Rodger said no women look at me, so I'm going to make you pay for the rest of your lives the way you humiliated me. It's different sides of that same coin. There's only a very thin membrane that separates a guy like Abagnale from a guy like John Wayne Gacy.

And that goes back to the too much information signal — the diarrhea of the mouth. Take the guy at a bar trying to impress someone by saying he was a Green Beret or a SEAL when he wasn't — he was still in the military and did some cool stuff, but he's not giving too much information. Versus the stolen valor guy who has a whole elaborate story going on, so much stuff that people start going, wait a minute, you couldn't possibly have done that, that doesn't make sense.

George Patton didn't do that stuff. The likelihood that you did — and those people are well known. When you wonder how Abagnale buffaloed his way through this, I'll guarantee you he didn't go, hey, I'm a pilot, look at me. That's instantly suspicious. I'll give you an example. The hotel dodge — hey, I'm locked out of my room, my key card doesn't work, my friends already left for the next hotel, but I want to extend the hotel room for a couple of days and they said it's fine, just put it on their credit card. Would you mind cashing an out-of-state check with no ID? The more absurd it sounds — the Germans had a thing during World War II, and Herman Goering was high on this: the big lie. If you're going to lie, make it the biggest lie you've got and repeat it over and over and people will believe it. He had the power, the political machine, the constant barrage of information, and people who wanted to believe — that perfect storm. A con person doesn't have that, so they have to invent it. The way they do that is with access, finding that common goal. I'm going to bombard you with all this needless information hoping that one thing sticks, and the whole time I'm waving that room key in front of you. A savvy person behind the desk is going to say, no — who are you, what room is this? Nobody wants to be wrong. You have an ego system and all humans have a fragile ego system. So all I've got to do is be convincing enough and make it sound like you've got to do one extra step of work — and we're all lazy and we don't want to do that — or two, I might get in trouble. That's why a lot of cons involve anger, fast talking and anger. I swear to God, I stay at this hotel all the time — those are things that you shouldn't see, and those are incongruent too. You should be penitent. You're angry when you should be saying I need help, and instead you're directing the cops. That guy in Denver, remember when we broke down that video — he kills his wife, and every signal was, yeah, I hope she comes home soon with the kids.

It was all incongruent.

You cannot hold a lie together — it will not last long. You're going to start creating new nuanced stories. That's why a cop wants to pin you down to a story. Brian, the simpler the better. You tell me a story two different ways, and then the third way you start changing stuff, I know it's a lie. I don't need more information. It's likely that you're trying to pull the wool over my eyes.

And that goes into pretty much everything you brought up — the incongruent actions, too much information, quick to anger, people on transmit all the time — and how to pick up on someone who's likely going to do this. You go back to all these different examples, like the police sergeant who made up the whole pursuit thing. It was so extravagant, so crazy, where he could have come up with something so much simpler.

In a town of 11,000 people in Illinois where that type of stuff has never happened before — and this was a real incident, that's why they had 400 people — it starts not passing the smell test. For savvy investigators that are listening, Brian, if you're in the interview room and they're processing the crime scene and your wife, significant other, your kid is dead — give an example, a two or four year old died from a gunshot wound just within 48 hours of this broadcast, and the guy said it was an armed home invasion, they broke into his house and they shot his kid. Why? Because just like your guy that accidentally shot himself in Afghanistan or Iraq, he couldn't face it — oh my God, I killed my own kid because I left my gun out. My kid shot himself, so I have to come up with an elaborate hoax. Folks, one — tell the truth right away. Second, if you're in that interview room, the first thing that a rational person would do is ask what's the condition of my wife or significant other, where are they right now, I want to see them. That's logical. Bad guys don't do that because they want to try to take you in different directions. The other thing is, if you came up and said hey, it's looking a lot like you killed your significant other — I'm coming unglued, I'll be across that table: are you saying I murdered my wife? But that's not what you see. You see, oh no, me murder my wife. It's not a stage play, but the folks in their own mind think that it is. So they're trying to juggle a lot of balls, Brian, and the more balls they're trying to keep in the air, that's where the fractures are. It's right back in a circle, the Mobius loop, to where we were before. Fragile ego systems, cracks start to form, watch for the patterns — that person is going to continue until either they fix those cracks and go get help, or somebody gives them help by perhaps arresting them, or they're going to go until it's a full-on stress fracture and they have a break with reality and they hurt somebody.

You remember the Jussie Smollett case, the actor in Chicago? As soon as that story came out, we were both texting each other like, did you see that? This is complete and total BS.

It was before the full story broke — even the initials that came in — Brian and Shelly and I were all going, that's not going to be true.

It was like December or January, in Chicago, right on the river down in this walkway. I've been down there in the summer — it's gorgeous, it's beautiful. You don't go down there, especially at 2 a.m., definitely not in the winter.

There was a soliloquy — there was a dialogue and it was like, zoom in — first actor says, hey, you with the blue coat, I really hate blue. That's not how events unfold.

He walked in — they put a noose around his neck and then he walked in like, look at what just happened to me, with it still around his neck.

If you have a noose, go to the local police department and just turn yourself in. Just say, I am a complete asshole, I had a break with reality. Who has a noose? It's so out of all character. And the location that he was in — those guys that he described wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes. The locals would have gone, nah, not in my backyard. But that's a perfect example — it's too much information.

And the reason why I'm trying to bring up as many examples as possible is to go down the continuum of where these things land. We don't ever really talk about motive and motivation because it's unnecessary — you don't need it to solve a crime or understand a situation. You just have to worry about the intent, because if you go with motive then that opens Pandora's box — well, it's about religion, it's about culture, it's a socioeconomic issue, it's a psychological issue. It's like, wait a minute, just deal with the person, the behavior of the person. They're an ass or a broken human being.

You understand that when I talk about motive, I talk about the four F's. The rare times I use the word motive, what I'm talking about is one of these four F's. And somebody says, well, money isn't part of your four F's. Okay — fornicate is much easier when you've got the money. Nobody looked at me. I wasn't that kid. I never went to my high school prom. But I guarantee if I would have been like that guy in The Simpsons — you know, that one guy that gets real rich, Disco Stu or whatever his name is — and you've got the helicopters and the rhinestones and stuff, I would have had a date. And you're saying, well, people aren't that simple. People are. I don't know about where you live, pal, but if you've got a lot of money, people say, oh, you've got a lot of problems with money. Yeah, and you've got a lot of good times too. That's a motive, and that's always under the simplest, most basic motivation — money, sex, you get what I'm trying to say.

It still falls back to the four F's for survival. Like in his case with the actor — I need more attention for my career and for survival.

Right, but flip the script on air force guy. If you know that the most basic motivations are money, sex, or power — look at air force guy. Which one of those was missing? All of them were missing, because this isn't that guy. And so you're rushing to an unreasonable conclusion. He thinks a compelling story is going to be enough. Artifacts and evidence form reasonable conclusions, and if you don't have transfer evidence — the copper saying that he wasn't dirty enough — that's a form of transfer evidence. He would have been beat up, dragged, thrown in a ditch. When a person tries to injure themselves — and I don't mean suicidal intent or ideation or fascination — they don't do it. Try to punch yourself in the face. Your own brain says not to, and even if you're really, really drunk, you're likely not to do that. So what he was doing is he was trying to portray the role. And just like Smollett, that's an actor, and actors are always going to be found out. It's just not going to pass the smell test initially. The more we know about the situation, sooner or later the evidence is going to surface. So do yourself a favor and give it up at the get-go. You're going to save everybody a lot of time.

I think it's good tying it back to the four F's on all of these. Anytime we talk about motive — everyone breaks it down as like, oh, he killed his wife because she was cheating on him, that was his motive — well, that goes right back to the four F's.

Cut all that superfluous stuff. You're exactly right.

Hey, they stole from the company because they needed the money, or I sold this technology to the Chinese for money — motive still boils down to a very primitive level.

Primitive — it's not insulting, it's your most basic human brain. So listen, I would advocate this too: you're sitting there and you're cheating on your spouse — I don't care what they are, a girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever, put it in any conventional situation that works for you — and you're thinking, you know what, if I get a bunch of insurance on my current partner and they died and it wasn't investigated, then the person I'm with right now, we could have a wonderful life. Nothing gets easier at 35,000 feet. Nothing gets easier when you start putting together a plan to kill somebody. It's going to go sideways, you're all going to be in prison, and you're going to ruin every life — your kids' life, your friends' life, and the person you killed. And it always comes out that way. But people can't see that because our primitive drives are chemicals. There are electrochemical neurons that are so strong that when I'm cheating on my spouse, I go, man, this is the life that I want. That's not the life that you want. It's fun and exciting like the old life you used to have. So get off your ass and go buy a card and buy your wife or your husband something nice and go back and spend time with them. You can resurrect it. Or go to them and say, I don't love you anymore and I'm leaving. Don't kill them. What I'm trying to say is it's right there on the surface — a very thin membrane separates like and that.

You don't have to go down that path. So back to the whole primitive and the four F's — if all those are electrochemical neurotransmitters, that's what gets us to do everything, even the things where we think, oh, I'm consciously doing this for a certain reason. Well, there's an unconscious reason you're even doing that behavior. It's not just for what you think it is.

Precisely. And it's all inside your brain and it's all regulated by chemicals.

And it's so strong — that's how people get into these situations. People always want to ask why, and since we don't really get into motive that way, I like how we framed it with the four F's so we can talk about it that way. Why would people do this? It comes down to the guy at the bar wanting to meet a girl that will have sex with him, so he's lying and making up stories in order to fornicate.

Go to feed for a second. When you think of feed, food doesn't just have to be food as sustenance — it can be an addiction, it can be alcohol or meth or opiates. So you need to feed the beast. We talk about that all the time. Now I'm sitting there in a bar, I'm on my last twenty, the jukebox is playing, some female or male is hitting on me and I like it or I hate it, and I'm going, man, I swear to god if I based up some rock right now this would be a great thing. I don't have enough money, but I do have a gun. Do you get what I'm trying to say? So now it turns into other things, and you're going, well, that's a horrible leap of logic in your critical thinking skills. Why? Because I'm not thinking rationally. I'm thinking I have to feed the beast. So fighting — will I fight? Yeah, I'll fight. But guess what? When that cop comes up, he's got a gun too, and he might be good at it. So I'm going to flee. I'm going to flee to live to fight another day. Well, there's three F's right there. And the final one being fornicate — every song, every movie, every poem, everything that has been written on the face of the planet, except by Weird Al Yankovic, comes down to sex. And what I mean by that is procreation and fornication. I'm not trying to gutter it down, Brian. I'm trying to say it's a motivation as much in your genetics as it is in the Bible: be fruitful and multiply. Everybody historically knows that that's a drive. Now you couple one with the other — holy Moses, do you have a situation. So you cover fight and flee, and you're going they're two different ends of the spectrum. No, they're not. Now I'm in a car and you're trying to stop my car and you're a cop and you're waving for me to stop, and I go, should I stay or should I go? Three strikes, you're out, buddy. Guess what? Wrong day to beat a cop. And you're saying there's no way — you're saying you would never drive over a person. Happens every day. And the next day they say, oh, my daughter could never do that, she could never kill. This is what we're talking about. We're talking about being in charge of your own life. It takes work, it takes effort. And being a bad person is one thin membrane away for every one of us every day, and we have to work at being good.

And I think that's part of it. So then why would people mimic this behavior? Go over to the Stolen Valor Act guys who put all these medals on they didn't earn. They're just doing it wrong.

They want to be that person.

I want to be that person, I'm not that person, so I'm going to mimic it.

Right. So here is the hard path: working out, being a good person, joining those units. They don't want to go that hard.

You gotta burn calories, Greg. You gotta want it — you just gotta want it.

Exactly. Ditch guy is the same guy. Ditch guy is going, this blows — and that's the first thought. That's how your brain works.

It's that simple too.

And then he looks around and he goes, I could be here, I could be back in a block. Now he's not thinking back in a block — he was washing dishes, didn't make a lot of money, his mom was ragging on him. What he's thinking is, whatever's in front of him right now, he wants to change that. So he doesn't sit there and think about re-enlistment. First of all, folks, you're not forced to be in the military, but when you're in the military you have a contract, and when that contract expires you can leave. But he didn't think of that. He thought kidnapping — I've seen enough of these Hollywood movies. That is a fractured human being trying to fill that hole with an unreasonable jump of logic. Spirals go different directions, but spirals are like sparklers — they can light fires you're not going to be able to put out. The simplest answer, Gordian knot theory, is probably the best answer for you. And it's not winding up in a ditch in OI.

That's exactly how they go down that path. I want out of the situation I'm in right now — how do I do that? I can't take off and flee because they're going to be looking for me, that's a crime. I can't just leave the military whenever I want; I can get locked up for that. I don't want to stick around for the rest of my enlistment either. So what can I do? How do I get out of this and still come out on top? How do I leave and still not violate what I signed up for, what I said I was going to do, my word, my bond? And I think that's where a lot of them end up. They can't be this person or can't do this anymore, so they're going to mimic it or get out of it. And that's the reason I bring this back to what you were talking about — mimicking good behavior will eventually get you to do good behavior, even if you're just mimicking it for a second.

Your mirror neurons are designed to do that — to make you afraid when people are afraid so you can avoid danger, or make you smile and feel happy so you can become part of a group and be entrenched in that group.

Rather than dressing up in a military uniform they didn't earn, if they surrounded themselves with people like that, learned from them, became a better person — either went in the military or just did something with their life — you can change it. They don't always have to go down that path of faking a kidnapping or whatever. There are other options available. But identifying those people is key. If you're likely to do this, what else are you likely to do?

Exactly right. A little thing leads to a big thing. I'd ask our listeners to think about my term of holding it together. As you're trying to hold it together, sometimes you have fractures. A brick home has fractures, a log home has fractures, your basement leaks when it has fractures. So you can do one of two things, Brian. You can say, I'm going to actively work to fill that — and I want to fill it with something I don't have to do every week or every year, because it becomes monotonous, like that kid with his finger in the dike. But that takes work, it takes calories, it takes a plan. Or you can let the fractures grow, and we all know what's going to happen — sooner or later it's going to burst out. It's up to you. Do you want to star-cluster your life and burn out, or do you want a good, enjoyable life? And if I don't know the path, I call really smart people and say, I'm in trouble, I don't know what to do next. The people that don't do that are going to resort to alcohol or some other form of abuse — because it takes my eye off the prize. I don't have to worry about what's happening in 15 minutes because I'm feeling great right now. But those fractures still exist. And if you don't address them now, they're only going to get worse.

Some of the behaviors you see in all of these individuals are just an exaggerated form of something all normal humans do. That's why you go back to social media — we want attention and acceptance, we want people to like the photo we just posted, and that feels good. This person has that same drive, it's just a lot more, and then they don't understand it when people don't like it and they can't hold it together. That's why you bring it back to a hiring process. You see someone's email address is like running-and-gunning at AOL, or PutinBastard-numbers-to-me, or whatever it is, and you're like, okay. Now put that in context — if they're 18 years old and just joined the military, okay. But is that as dangerous as if they've been in for 20 years and they're 37 or 38 years old?

No, but it's remarkable because almost nobody does that. I'll give you a quick example. You're on the street, you get a call to a house, and on the big garage door somebody used one can of spray paint — crudely drew the Nazi cross, put the F-word — and then down the street they did it on the side of a car. You're not dealing with organized, sophisticated Klansmen. You've got a kid. The kid looked back and laughed. So what's the difference on social media? What's the difference reading a post on Twitter or Instagram —

Instagram.

And somebody comes out firing, saying, oh, you're an ass and you're this and that. All it shows is that you've got a low degree of maturity in your content because you're lacking something. Where do bullies get their strength? By bullying. I can't hold it together, so seeing you in trouble or reacting to it makes me feel better. Those are stress fractures, folks. When you see them when the kids are young — think of my airline example — it ain't going to get easier at 35,000 feet. So if you don't nip it in the bud now, you're going to be reading about it. Texas Tower shooting or whatever else. By the way, we went to the JFK museum, the book depository in Dallas. It was such an amazing trip and you treated us so well. Thanks for that, Brian.

Everyone there did. But what you're talking about goes back to exactly what I brought up — you said the kid versus the organized version, right? You see someone like that who was younger, who was a kid, and he never grew out of it. He didn't have the emotional maturity to deal with the situation he was in. So like you said, those fractures are eventually going to break.

It's going to show.

It's going to bleed out somewhere. That being said, rewind the tape a few months before that and go — what did the people working with him see? We can see this sometimes and go, where is this likely going to go? That's the time to investigate and go, hey —

Was he sitting alone? Was he depressed? Did he bring out stuff when he was in the cafeteria? He couldn't get his mind off of back on the block. It wasn't just homesickness. Brian, you know it — it starts small. But when you look at it with a flashlight or a laser, I want you to imagine having a cracked vase and having somebody shine a flashlight while you're on the other side. You're going to see those minute stress fractures, but only if you shine the light. So if you walk around with your head up your ass all day, you're likely going to miss the co-worker that's having a problem, and there's going to be a domestic in your lobby and somebody's going to get killed. Why? Because you failed to attend to it, you failed to pay attention. And I think that's a core piece of your argument here.

And because we have so many things in our life that compete for our attention, there are only so many hours in a day. This is why you've got so many issues now — because of social media and 24-hour news, you now worry about things you didn't even know of 20, 30, 40 years ago. It wouldn't have mattered, but now all of a sudden that's competing for your attention. People are talking about it and you're going, wait a minute, I need to weigh in on this, I need an opinion about this, I need to understand how this foreign policy measure affects my life.

Whatever's on my phone right now, I have to do. I have to answer that text message, and even if it's while I'm driving, that takes precedence — and no, it doesn't. If you fill up your available channel capacity, you're going to accidentally run the light, or when the light turns green you're going to wait too long. And not only is that simple situation of waiting too long at the light because you're texting going to cost us billions of dollars next year, it takes your eye off the prize and you're going to hit a little kid or drive into a truck. Just like out here in Colorado this morning — you can hear the wind, I'm sure, and the storm is coming. So I had to change all our travel plans. In Denver this morning there was snow and black ice and people were everywhere. Go look at your news, folks — semis flipped and everything else. Why? Because in your head you're Joey Chitwood, you can drive like the wind. But the reality is just add water, get it down to a certain temperature, and you're crashing into everybody and everything. Now complicate that by adding a phone, texting, or hours of darkness. So what happened is the Air Force kid let it all build up, and there were fractures showing everywhere, until he got to the morning that he goes — kidnapping, hey, that sounds good. And I'm telling you, it didn't just happen. Remember the old light bulb where you pull the chain and the light came on? It didn't just happen. It took a long time and everybody saw it. I bet right now they're typing, hey, you should have seen it two weeks ago when he said this or did that.

So I would say let's look at the overall arc, and one of the big takeaways from all these is that it takes time. No one goes from zero to kidnapping in an hour behind their desk at a computer. This is a great idea, this is perfect for my situation — it takes a long time.

Only in a Hollywood script.

I've watched this crime drama and this is how this guy did it and he got away with it — it's been ridiculous.

Do you know how absolutely rare that is — how remarkable — when you find a person that actually has amnesia, and amnesia from a PTSD-style kidnapping scenario? My God. So this dude shouldn't have thrown a dart at the wrong — I mean, he didn't even hit the wall.

And the amount of trauma you need to go through in order to get to the point where your brain completely blocks something out, where you can't even access it —

The incident was so horrific that it allows you to forget it because it's not in your best interest to remember.

That's very, very rare. You don't see that much. So that goes into just that horrible low level of organization where you're like, this guy's all over the place.

You think we're going to be apologizing to our Air Force friends after this? Probably. We should maybe get him on —

We just sent some emails to them. I still think it's — the smartest branch of the military.

Oh, by far.

Remember that that stuff takes time to build up. No one makes that decision to go, hey, this sounds like a good idea.

We use the analogy all the time about our cup being full — people go into a situation, make sure that your cup spills into others and they spill into you, because you learn. But think of that tea kettle. Shelly and I just had to go out yesterday and get a new one. First learned about them in Saudi Arabia — you plug them in, it heats the water. So since then, for my tea or for ramen for lunch, I love that little thing you plug in, press the button, it boils the water and you take it off. Whatever that's called — in Detroit we didn't have them, so I don't have a name.

That little damn thing — I love them now, they're so convenient. It doesn't heat the water all at once. You don't press the thing and Harry Potter runs in and goes shazam. What happens is it takes time to boil. Things take time to percolate. That robbery has to go from — and you're saying what if it's target-of-opportunity crimes? Target-of-opportunity crimes may take less time on your timeline, but there's still the gift of time and distance that allow you to see the incidents.

It's in this form: I've got to buck up, I've got to secure that weapon. Hey, I'm going to open that door and I'm going to move fast — at predatory look to mission focus. So anybody saying that they're not seeing them, I'm telling you they're not looking.

I think that's kind of a good spot to bring it in for a landing. I should also give a shout-out to — if they're listening — the two young ladies, the psych students, psychology undergrads,

Hey, we had a good time.

who are probably terrified. They walked up — or we walked up — we observed them making observations, writing in a notepad, which no one does in 2020. So obviously that piqued our interest and we had to go up and talk. It turned out they had an assignment watching the behavior of children or something like that, and they're both psychology undergrads. Which you probably said, hey, I think that's illegal.

Right — it depends on how you're watching them. That's another thing — intent.

For science. But then we said, hey, we do a thing about human behavior, pattern recognition and analysis, so hopefully they tuned in.

They were so excited. The funny thing was, we found them by people-watching — they were people-watching, which drew our attention. It was hilarious. Always beautiful. He loved Philly, loved New Jersey, had a good time in New Jersey this time. Hey, Mary, what's that — at Princeton? And then that cool little restaurant that we ate at in Princeton, we'll do a shout-out for them next time. Little pub downstairs, nice people, great.

It was a little micro brewery and restaurant — they had great food. I forget the name, but yeah. If there's anything else, Greg, you want to add, we'll wrap it there for the day.

It was a romp today. It was a romp.

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